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Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

Posted on: September 7, 2011 9:46 am
 
By Gary Parrish

Texas A&M's move from the Big 12 to the SEC is on hold until the SEC gets assurances that no Big 12 school will sue because, suddenly, at least one Big 12 school -- specifically Baylor -- is threatening to do exactly that. My question: Why would Baylor give such an assurance?

Baylor seems, at this moment, to have one foot in Conference USA and the other on something slippery as the college landscape shifts, and if that's the case isn't it only responsible for Baylor to try to scare the Big 12 into staying together by any means necessary? I have no idea if Baylor could win such a lawsuit against the SEC, commissioner Mike Slive and/or Texas A&M because I'm not a lawyer. But what I do know is that, in this country, you can threaten to sue pretty much anybody for pretty much anything, and if the SEC and A&M want that possibility off the table before moving forward then Baylor ought to make the SEC and A&M give something in return.

What something?

Could be anything, including straight-cash homey.

But it would be foolish to take the threat of a lawsuit off the table just because the SEC asks.

So good for Baylor for standing up.

Ultimately, the school's actions will probably only stall the inevitable.

But desperate shots are worth taking when you find yourself in desperate times.
Comments

Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: September 14, 2011 2:00 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

"Gary, if you admit this is just a stall tactic and the folks at Baylor are only out for money, I'm not sure how you defend Baylor's actions.  It is doubtful the folks running Baylor are doing this for the integrity of the game, so that leaves a bunch of selfish pricks running the show at Baylor.  "

Sure, I guess it's "selfish" for Baylor admins to want Baylor not to lose millions.  If that's the definitely, all 120 teams are selfish.  If A&M gets to make a move to the SEC for money, why can Baylor not try and halt that for money?  You have a double standard.



Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: September 12, 2011 10:16 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

Baylor would rather be academically affiliated with Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, etc. than Rice, ECU, UTEP.  



Rice is by far the best rated academic school that you've mentioned.  It's really not even close.  Texas is probably a clear-cut second, and a very good school fo rth emost part, but this is a terrible list if you're trying to define the Big 12's academic superiority.  Overall, it probably is better, but your inclusion of Rice on this list makes Conference USA appear to be at least on par, if not better academically.  Just sayin'...



Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: September 10, 2011 8:42 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

Male Bovine scatolgy. It's about the money and being seen on TV and not one thing more.



Since: Mar 1, 2008
Posted on: September 9, 2011 8:44 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

UConn and the Big East welcome your Jayhawks into the Big East next year.



Since: Apr 24, 2009
Posted on: September 9, 2011 12:48 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

Gary- what's with your rating system? I thought you were a b-ball writer? I just went from Super Star to Amateur cause I took the summer off just like you did.  You didnt' post squat this year like you normally do about the love affair between the Big Ego (NBA playoff burn out) and Coach Cal and WWW. Or the great UCLA program rebounding under Ben Howland with his hand in Pat Barrett's pocket (anyone read Play Their Hearts Out?). Not much mention of how UConn ducked the proven $$ for recruit mess. Or the lack of top 10 recruits for our Jayhawks. Just didn't see much of anything from you to comment on.



Since: Apr 24, 2009
Posted on: September 9, 2011 12:35 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

Gary - glad to see you weigh in on this fiasco.  Can't wait for the REAL season but since this conference alignment issue seems to be all driven by football (wrong view) let's just say when they talk about everything in Texas being "bigger" they must be referring to the egos of the AD's, University Prez, and major boosters not to their intelligence!

Since you are a b-ball guy let's look at the Rivals Top 100 and see how many are coming out of Texas and Memphis (more on that later). Football - more of the same but throw in Oklahoma.

The Big 12 (now 10) limo is being driven by an idiot named Beebe who is a great glad hander with no vision and decisivness what so ever.

Rationally, why would any Big 12 team consider sliding up to the Pac 10 (now 12)? They aren't relevant in football or b-ball. After the beat down that Oregon took from LSU the and ashes left from Southern Cal's Reggie Bush's extra benefits plan, the only relevant about their football is the discussion about Oregon's $25K "scouting" payment to get a couple of Texas recruits.  Do we even need to talk b-ball...except for UCLA's and Coach Howland's short run compliments of Nike and AAU coach Pat Barrett's $$ feeder system?

The Pac 12 is irrelevant because they aren't getting the recruits - in either sport. So why give them an "in" to the Texas recruiting base? 

The SEC? Same song different verse. Why open up Texas and Oklahoma to SEC recruiters who can now tell the kids their friends and families can easily see them at home/away games in Little Rock, Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa, etc.

The $$ difference just isn't there. Big 12 has a very lucrative new TV contract.

Granted - Texas pulled a coup with their TV network and lots of extra revenue. But they need it - they are paying Mack Brown BIG $$ to finish probably 4th this year and Rick Barnes BIG $$ to recruit well, peak in the ratings in Dec/Jan and then flash in the pan.  They can really use the $$.

Let's think outside the box for just a minute Mr. Beebe - why not reach out and grab UNLV and Memphis!  Heresy you say??

Granted UNLV doesn't have much of a football program but with cheap flights not a bad place to be for a football weekend (compared to say Ames, Iowa). Basketball is solid and would help overall RPI not hurt it.

Memphis, again doesn't have a great football program but has an elite B-ball program and one of the real hotbeds of b-ball recruiting. The Chairman of Fed-Ex has pledged mega-bucks to support Memphis for the 1st BIG conference that reaches out to them so they would improve their football program. Memphis isn't a bad place to spend a weekend either and an easy travel since it is a major airline hub.

Reality check - year in and year out in football it is really Texas & Oklahoma, Oklahoma & Texas, etc. with A&M, Tech, O-State, Mizzou occasionally jumping into the top 10.  So adding UNLV and Memphis doesn't significantly dilute the product from K-State, Iowa State, Kansas, Tech, Baylor, etc.

Alingment? Instead of north/south go east/west.  West - A&M gets the lead ego in the west and breaks away from Texas. Add Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma, UNLV & K-State.  East: Texas, O-State (actually east of Norman), Kansas, Iowa State, Missou &Memphis.  The state of Texas wins - could have A&M and Texas as divisional champs in football, Texas and A&M or Baylor in basketball - Texas doesn't have to worry about Oklahoma in divisional football. The state of Oklahoma wins - could have Oklahoma and O-State as divisional football champs. Kansas wins - could have K-State and Jayhawks as divisional champs in b-ball.

Think of b-ball - the old Big 12 format had home/away within division and 1 game against opposite division. Memphis, Kansas, Texas, Mizzou in the East with 2 games per year would all be on national ESPN!

Keep the Big East, SEC, Pac-10 (12) out of the fertile recruiting grounds and get off your tails and do you own "internet/cable" sports network commensurate with our mobile electronic society if you can justify it.

The best part about this - adding Memphis and creating legitimacy for them - this would piss off Pittino and Coach Cal. GOTTA LOVE IT!!!



Let's think outside the box for just a minute Mr. Beebe - why not reach out and grab UNLV



Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: September 8, 2011 2:44 pm
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

What most people forget is that Last year during the exit of Nebraska and Colorado, some schools gave up their share of those exit fees to the power schools as assurence that they would stay.  Oklahoma and Texas each returned that money to the conference office to stabilize the conference.  The 1 school that Kept the cash?  Texas A&M.  They took that money as a guarantee to stay.  They never returned it, they made a commitment, and  they have an obligation in exchange for acccepting the payoff.  Ken Starr is now running things at Baylor.  Do you think a former Federal prosecuter would allow his school to take a financial hit?  Not gonna happen.  Baylor just started a large stadiium expansion project that was to be paid for with the incomming tv money.  Loss of that revenue could cause the school major injury.



Since: Aug 7, 2009
Posted on: September 8, 2011 2:19 pm
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

What you're forgetting is that conferences aren't all about sports. Baylor would rather be academically affiliated with Texas, Oklahoma, A&M, etc. than Rice, ECU, UTEP.  



Since: Mar 22, 2007
Posted on: September 8, 2011 10:05 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

Gary, if you admit this is just a stall tactic and the folks at Baylor are only out for money, I'm not sure how you defend Baylor's actions.  It is doubtful the folks running Baylor are doing this for the integrity of the game, so that leaves a bunch of selfish pricks running the show at Baylor.  I think Baylor needs some new decision makers installed, their focus should be on Baylor's long-term future, not just being some douche bag out for a few bucks, who can't accept reality.



Since: Sep 8, 2011
Posted on: September 8, 2011 9:59 am
 

Baylor is desperate and right at the same time

Just so long as the Pac-12 and Big 10 are forced to pay for poaching Big 12 teams last season. A&M was reportedly forfeiting their $25 million cut for 2011...how much more liquidation of damages should they be held responsible for?


Let's not forget that despite their current hobby of pontificating on the virtues of Texas football, they left 4 Texas-based SWC out in the cold in favor of going to the Big 12. Then last year, they were ready to run to the Pac-10, which would have left half of their Big 12 counterparts out in the cold. I say quit whing and put your C-USA pants on. It's time to find out how the other half lives. And by other half, I mean those who don't have other big in-state institutions who allow them to ride their coattails.   



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