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Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

Posted on: October 5, 2011 10:38 am
Edited on: October 5, 2011 12:06 pm
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By Matt Norlander

Tuesday night, Missouri's board of curators gave the school chancellor, Brady Deaton, full permission to flirt with other conferences. This is considered a major step, one that many see ending with Missouri landing on SEC property.

Meanwhile, the Big 12 continues to watch as the value of its land drops and drops. Kansas City is a shell of its former self. Missouri leaving would get the league down to eight teams, and that point the Big 12 would have to do some swift pillaging or merging with another league.

Because Missouri wants out, feelings within the Big 12 are going to be fiery, and there's bound to be some serious grudges. Kansas has a right to hold the biggest one. Its longtime rival leaving the clan to join the SEC could put an end to the on-court feud that's been going on for 104 years.

Kansas is the better basketball school --and it leads the series with Missouri, 171-94 -- but the rivalry with Missouri is one of the best the nation has to offer. If the Tigers choose, and are accepted, to go to the SEC, the rivalry could die. Just ask Bill Self. The Lawrence-Journal World asked Self what his thoughts were on Missouri's instability, and he said:

“To me it’s a great rivalry, one of the best in college basketball without question, but I don’t think I would be interested in having a once a year game like I did when I was at Illinois, playing Missouri,” Self [said]. “I could probably change my mind (but) trust me, we would have no trouble finding another nonleague game to play. I love the rivalry. Playing home and home in the league is great and all those things ... (but) I can’t imagine, why would we continue playing?

“If they choose to be somewhere other than with us and with the other schools that they’ve been a part of and could jeopardize the future of the other schools ... I’m not going to make a commitment now that we’d ever play again. I’m not saying we won’t. I’m certainly not going to pretend that we would.”

Even though coaches have as much to do with realignment as me or you, they do control most of the scheduling. And if Self doesn't want to slate Missouri in basketball going forward out of spite, he has all the power to do that. What's more, he'll likely get a lot of support within his athletic offices and around the league. Nebraska's already been ex-communicated from the conference after it got a whiff of what the Big Ten was cooking and decided to bolt.

Self added last night: "The media is not going to dictate who we play."

And that might as well be addressed to the fans too, who, when it comes down to it, might not be happy that Kansas and Mizzou are breaking apart -- but they'll still want an annual game. For the record, Kansas' AD has done the obligatory and said he wants Missouri to stay put.

“I have no ill will toward Missouri at all, but to do something at a time that could be so damaging and hurtful to a group, I can’t see us just taking it and forgetting," Self said. "They are making a decision that’s best for theirs. We’ll make a decision on a schedule that’s best for us."

Self is just lobbing out bombs, and I love it. I love contention and true nastiness in rivalry. The irony here is, the angriest aspects of this feud could be coming in its final years of existence. Kansas basketball, as great as it is, is a non-factor in the Big 12's future. So Self is pretty much playing the only card he can here.

“We will do what’s best for us from a scheduling standpoint," he said. "And that will create absolutely no controversy at all.”

Meanwhile, that's just not true. Missouri isn't even officially out of the Big 12 yet -- and may never leave -- and this is already going to be among the biggest talking points at both schools. If Kansas and Missouri break apart, college basketball loses one of its oldest continuous rivalries, one that dates back geographically and historically to the Civil War.

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fuzznutz
Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 7:14 pm
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Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:39 pm
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

It seems as though me and blockeisu7 are the only intelligent people in here.



Since: Jul 29, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:18 pm
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

REALLY BLOCKEISU IDIOT???   NOBODY cares about the KU/MIZZOU RIVALRY...  Go look up the HIGHEST RATED COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME on FOX..... that would be the #4 MIZZOU vs. #2 KANSAS 2007 football game....

Do some research schleprock
Just because it was the highest rated game for ONE year, it doesn't make it a national rivalry. You even killed your own argument - the teams were #4 and #2 at the time and winner would go to the Big XII Championship. That is the ONLY reason it was so highly rated. Other than that year, no one cared when those 2 teams played. What a stupid comment to make - and you call me an idiot.

There are 5 national rivalry games from a football perspective - USC vs Notre Dame, Texas vs Oklahoma, Auburn vs Alabama, OSU vs Michigan and Army vs Navy. That's it. I'm sorry, but outside Kansas and Missouri, no one considers the Border War a national rivalry. You really need to be more unbiased about this game.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:10 pm
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

It was probably the highest rated game because everyone outside of Kansas and Missouri was so shocked to see that these two schools were actually worth a damn, at the same time no less. Let's be honest never again will a game that these two schools play against one another generate nearly as much buzz or hype. I mean this is Kansas/Missouri we're talking about after all.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: October 6, 2011 12:05 pm
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

It was probably the highest rated game because everyone outside of Kansas and Missouri was so shocked that these highly irrelevant schools actually were worth a damn, at the same time no less. Everybody tuned in just to make sure that these two teams were actually playing and they weren't being lied to. Let's be honest never again will a game that these two schools play against one another generate nearly as much buzz or hype as it did that day. I mean this is Kansas/Missouri we're talking about after all.




Since: Jan 7, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2011 11:54 am
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

REALLY BLOCKEISU IDIOT???   NOBODY cares about the KU/MIZZOU RIVALRY...  Go look up the HIGHEST RATED COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAME on FOX..... that would be the #4 MIZZOU vs. #2 KANSAS 2007 football game....

Do some research schleprock



Since: Jul 29, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 11:37 am
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

Mizzou on the otherhand:  top notch facilities, 3 major cities, only major university in the state, big time boosters.... should I continue?
Three major cities?!? Try 2 major cities. Springfield is not a major city. It is the 147th largest city in the US - Amarillo, TX has a larger population and that is not a major city. KC and St. Louis are your major cities.



Since: Jul 29, 2008
Posted on: October 6, 2011 11:34 am
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

Look, the Kansas/Missouri rivalry is NOT a national rivalry. The only people here to make this claim are those who are Mizzou or Kansas fans. It is a great rivalry for fans in those two states, but outside the Midwest (at best), nobody cares about this rivalry. The reason both teams get paid $1M each to play at Arrowhead is because Kansas City has a mix of Kansas, K State and Mizzou fans. People in KC, Kansas and the entire state of Missouri care deeply about this rivalry. No one else in the country does. That's the reality. It cannot be a national rivalry if no one outside the Midwest cares. As someone earlier mentioned, Duke-UNC, OSU-Michigan, Notre Dame-USC are national rivalries. This game is not. Accept it.



Since: Jan 7, 2010
Posted on: October 6, 2011 10:44 am
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

Can't believe some of the idiots on here.    A PURDUE fan mouthing off about his BOILERMAKERS???  Seriously, not gonna waste my time talking about that TOILET SCHOOL.   They aren't relevent in anything, just lucky to be carried by the BIG10.   They were too cheap to pay Matt Painter, they're gym looks like a high school arena.

As for MIZZOU/KU and not knowing of the rivalry...then you aren't a COLLEGE SPORTS FAN.   You have to live in a freaking fantasy world to not know the history/rivalry.   

As for DUKE/UNC..... so sick of the DICK VITALE BOWL...overhyped every year game.    I've got news for you, the MINUTE Coach K retires from coaching basketball....DUKE WILL BE AN AFTERTHOUGHT.    He's THE ONLY ONE who can make that school a TOP 25 program...they'll disappear.

Again, it sucks to be Kansas.... you have nothing to offer...basketball makes nothing.... no major cities in your state....

Mizzou on the otherhand:  top notch facilities, 3 major cities, only major university in the state, big time boosters.... should I continue?   Yes, Mizzou has the option of possibly choosing between Big 12, Big 10, or SEC....they would choose the BIG10 in a heartbeat if the offer ever came.

Also, to think KU won't play Mizzou?????  Think Kansas City Royals begging to play the St. Louis Cardinals at home each year....its the only time the ROYALS can sell out their stadium...get a freaking clue...KU needs football attendance

Go to sleep KU fans....you still have 8 more weeks till TIPOFF.

Either way...Mizzou comes out on TOP.




Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: October 6, 2011 10:29 am
 

Kansas-Mizzou hoops rivalry could be over

If you just found out that Mizzou-Kansas is a huge rivalry then you don't follow the Bix XII or college sports. Sure, there are more media-hyped rivalries, but this is one of the oldest and most heated in the country. 

Either your statement is hyperbole or pure ignorance. 


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