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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: October 28, 2011 7:26 pm
Edited on: October 29, 2011 1:12 pm
By Gary Parrish

There are lots of ways to get in the Eye On College Basketball Blog. You can break a story. Or write something tremendous. But the easiest way is to submit a stupid AP ballot. Scott Wolf from the Los Angeles Daily News is proof.

(It's time to Poll Attack!)

---- Associated Press Preseason Poll Attacks -----

Let me put this simply: Scott Wolf is either joking or dumb.

There's no in between.

Because there's no rational argument to be made for anybody other than North Carolina (or maybe Kentucky) being ranked No. 1 this preseason, and that's just the first of many odd decisions on Wolf's ballot. He has Connecticut No. 1. I like the Huskies. They're talented. But they can't be ranked No. 1 ahead of an experienced and super-talented North Carolina team right now. That's silly. And Kansas at No. 3? Seriously? Kansas might not finish in the top three of the Big 12, and Bill Self is on record stating this team has more question marks than just about any team he's ever coached. Thomas Robinson should be great, and Tyshawn Taylor is solid. But four of the top five scorers from last season are gone, and half of the recruiting class didn't qualify. And yet Scott still has Kansas ranked third -- one spot ahead of North Carolina.

(Note: I texted Self, told him one voter had his team ranked ahead of North Carolina and asked for his thoughts on said voter. "He's nuts," Self replied, and that sums it up pretty well.)

Yes, Scott Wolf has the Tar Heels ranked fourth overall and one spot behind KU. It's nutty and absurd -- even more so than having Connecticut first. How can a team with four possible All-Americans and seven possible pros be ranked fourth? And how can Arizona be ranked sixth? Derrick Williams doesn't play for the the Wildcats anymore, you know? (That's why they were only picked third in the Pac-12's official preseason poll.)

Honestly, the whole thing is a mess from top to bottom.

You can look at it here.

Might be the worst ballot I've ever seen.

And let me be clear: I don't mind ballots that are different because this stuff is subjective, especially in October. But voters ought to be able to defend their choices with some sort of intelligent argument, and there's no way to defend this ballot with an intelligent argument ... unless, of course, the Morris Twins, Brandon Rush, Mario Chalmers and Nick Collison are all back on KU's campus, and Self and I just haven't realized it yet.

Since: Feb 27, 2012
Posted on: February 27, 2012 1:24 am

The Poll Attacks

Hey, Gary, take a look at the current AP poll.  Then look at Scott Wolf's preseason vs. yours.


Let me put it this way: Gary Parrish is either a tool or a douchebag.

Actually, he's just proven himself to be both.  


Since: Jun 28, 2011
Posted on: February 26, 2012 2:52 pm

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Gary Parrish, you must feel like a complete idiot, attacking Scott Woif of the Daily News...maybe you haven't noticed, but Missouri was #3 in the nation...I think you owe Scott Wolf an apology, apparently he knows something you only wish you knew.

Since: Oct 21, 2007
Posted on: November 15, 2011 3:02 pm

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Attacking the polls one week into the season is somewhat useless . The first poll with value ( or reson to dispute) will be the one before conference play .

Since: Oct 30, 2011
Posted on: October 30, 2011 1:34 pm
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Since: Jul 11, 2008
Posted on: October 29, 2011 9:59 pm

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Ahhh, the pot calling the kettle black.  

Parrish, Parrish.   All of you Parrish's -  Greg, Gary, Geezer, and Godzilla...the family is off the hook!
Are you a Saluki's fan Gary?  You sure sound like one.

Wolf's ballot is no worse than yours.


Since: Oct 29, 2011
Posted on: October 29, 2011 2:28 pm
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Since: Dec 1, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 12:26 pm

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LOL. Hysterical. This is the reason I can't read majority of sites or why I no longer bother going on ESPN, all these so called "experts" have no rational or sane reason in why they vote a certain way. Yes, all voting is subjective and it's preseason, but in order to be an analyst you have to get rid of bias statements. I'm a Tar Heel fan, I hate Duke, I don't like Kansas, but when those teams are better I can admit that, there is no reason to admit otherwise. This Tar Heel team is solid and from the previous 7 times (I think) they have been ranked #1 in the pre-season poll, the team has gone on to win the title or come darn near close every other time. You may not like the team, but come on, give respect where respect is due.

Since: Feb 11, 2011
Posted on: October 29, 2011 8:43 am

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A poll is just a poll - think of all the times a highly ranked team is defeated several times early and is never heard from again or the unranked team which wins the preseason NIT and jumps to number 8. Play the games on the court and let the teams performance do the talking. While some might feel Mr. Wolf is incorrect in his submission -we are all guessing what the results will be. Which 18 year old grew the most or improved his jumper - one does not know until they step onto the court.

Since: Mar 22, 2008
Posted on: October 29, 2011 8:31 am

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What does it really matter what Scott Wolf said? Why is this a story in itself? People who put out polls have a variety of information they can look at. They can look at the returning players, how they improved over the previous year, their health, grades, and projected competition. They can look at their recruiting class, changes to coaching, and the numerous stats collected on each player.

This should sound a lot like horse racing. You can get all the data you want, lineage of the horses, types of tracks they perform well on, and even how the horse is performing in warm-ups.

But a poll is nothing more than an educated guess with some favorite teams bias built in. It's fluff, not fact. Why should it matter if Scott Wolf picked Uconn over North Carolina. Neither Scott Wolf nor Gary Parrish are going to be on the court. They are guessing or hoping which teams will have the better records.

Polls should be fun. They should give fans hope that their teams have a chance. But any team can win. Uconn wasn't the best team in the field last year. They had one player who just would not let them lose. The question is who has that player this year. Is it Ohio State? Uconn? Maybe Kentucky? Sometimes the best all around team does it. We have seen that from Duke, Kansas and even lowly UNLV. But then again the best team doesn't win it all very often. Sometimes the best team loses focus with all the NBA bound players focusing on the millions they will have just one short year away.

So Scott Wolf, go ahead an choose Uconn, or Baylor, or even Virginia Commonwealth if you like. It's all in fun.

Since: Dec 5, 2006
Posted on: October 29, 2011 1:23 am

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I am not here to defend Scott Wolf. I don't even know the gentleman. But UConn has had a great recruiting year, return most of a championship team and, unlike Gary's favorite coach, coach Calhoun has shown his ability to integrate freshmen into a team and still win. North Carolina seems everyone's (well, except for Wolf) favorite team. But North Carolina has not played a game. As highly touted as NC was in 2007-2008 they crumbled in the Final Four against a lightly regarded (preseason) Kansas team. Wolf did put Gary's man-crush team UK in #2 so we presume he agrees with this. As far as Kansas, who really knows what they will do. If we go by the past experience coach Self gets far more from his teams than analysts expect. Rather than rebuild he just brings the next guys up, even if they only played sparingly last year. Thomas Robinson has become a preseason All-American only because he showed over the summer he just might be the very best big man in the country at a couple of elite camps or at least in the top two. Self also has said this team might be as good as any he has had (said before the NCAA decided moving between high schools is grounds for partial qualifier and x'ed three new players from Kansas.)

The place I have issue with you, Gary, is your love affair with freshman - wanting to make an untested freshman a first team All-American is silly. Let them play and earn something. It is the same with your picks of teams. Nobody really knows how a team will play because a team is not the sum of its parts. The chemistry and locker room atmosphere is what nobody knows. Who called VCU in the Final Four last year? Who predicted Arizona to end so high? All of the so-called favorites fell along the way. And those picks were based on a season of observation. So it is fine to have a guess at who will excel in preseason. But it seems silly to have a poll attack or a heart attack over disagreement.

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