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Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Posted on: December 11, 2011 4:17 pm
Edited on: December 11, 2011 4:41 pm
By Jeff Goodman

A few hours after Cincinnati levied six-game suspensions to three players and a one-game penalty to one other, Xavier responded.

The Musketeers have suspended starters Dez Wells four games, Mark Lyons two games and Tu Holloway for one game. Walk-on Landen Amos also received a four-game suspension.

Xavier plays Oral Roberts next and then heads to Hawaii for the Diamond Head Classic, where the Musketeers open against Long Beach State.

Holloway and Cincinnati's Ge'Lawn Guyn began trash-talking with nine seconds left in the Xavier rout. Wells then pushed Guyn, triggering the brawl.

Yancy Gates decked Xavier big man Kenny Frease with a right hand, and his actions earned him a six-game suspension. Lyons was also seen on the video throwing, but not connecting, on punches. Amos retaliated and punched Gates.

Holloway did not throw a punch in the melee, but was scrutinized -- rightfully so -- for his comments in the post-game news conference, in which he failed to apologize for his and his teammates actions.

"We got a whole bunch of gangstas in the locker room," Holloway said. "Not thugs, but tough guys on the court."

Lyons was also on the podium and also didn't apologize.

Personally, I probably would have hit Holloway with another game for his comments. He and Lyons should have been apologetic for his remarks. They certainly didn't handle the entire situation well.

But Holloway didn't throw a punch.

Holloway sat on the podium on Sunday afternoon, along with Mack and athletic director Mike Bobinski, and apologized for his actions. He also tried to clarify his comments from the previous day. 

"We'e not thugs, not doing things on the street," Holloway said. "We're just tough. That's what I meant by gangstas. Tough." 

Since: Oct 21, 2007
Posted on: December 13, 2011 5:42 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

"A bunch of gangstas in the locker room " Gee , I'm impressed . I think he meant to say " a bunch of morons in the locker room". Now doesn't that young man make the Xavier Alumni proud ,

Since: Apr 26, 2008
Posted on: December 12, 2011 10:09 am

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Agree with someone below.  I posted this elsewhere on CBS:

I really don't have a horse in this race... but how is Xavier getting a pass here?

#1, why do they even have starters on the floor with 10 seconds to go in a 23-point home blowout?  Take Holloway out and let him get a standing O.  Channel that energy into something positive.  The subs had not been banging against each other all day.  Much less likely to get out of hand.

#2, it was Holloway's big mouth that got everything riled up at the end.  I know his post-game comments were bad, but his conduct started the escalation process.

#3, it was another Xavier player that turned it from words to fight by pushing the Cincy player down.  Had he pulled Holloway away, this does not happen.  Instead, a brawl started and Cincy's players got the better of Xavier's players. 

The Cincy player who stomped the defenseless Xavier player deserves 10 games.  Gates deserves at least 6 games for the sucker punches that went beyond defending himself.

But, for my money, I think Tu Holloway should get 1/2 what Gates gets.  If that's a problem for Xavier, then next time get him out of the game when it is out of hand.  Not just for fights, but for injuries.  Show some coaching class.  The coach showed no class and his team responded accordingly. 

Since: Mar 1, 2009
Posted on: December 12, 2011 8:14 am

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Tu Holloway proved his ammaturity by mortgaging his Player of the Year potential, his rightful place in the NBA draft and many endorsements.  I hope it was worth it for the gangsta...

Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posted on: December 11, 2011 11:22 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Why are the actions of Xavier being applauded?  The coach should have never had his players on the floor with a 23 point lead.  The players were responsible for the escalation, made the first shove, and threw the most punches.  Yet, somwhow the only player with more than half a suspension of the Cincy players responding to the fight starting is a bench player.

Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 11:09 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

It is funny how some Xavier fans are defending the fact that none of the punches from Xavier players landed.  It should not matter whether or not the punch landed, anyone throwing a punch should get a suspension.  Wells got 4 games, Lyons threw quit a few punches and only got 2 games.  It is very clear from the suspensions that Xavier is more concerned with protecting the season. Holloway should have got a game for starting the fight by talking and disrespecting the UC coaching staff let alone the UC bench players the entire second half.  Should have got another game for his comments during the game - put them "in a f'n body bag" and then another game for not apologizing and and showing a lack of remorse in the post game press conference.  If your going to give Wells 4 games then give Lyons the same as he was swinging wildly and just didn't land anything solid. Both he and Wells did connect just not to the extent that Gates did.  For those of you who don't beleive about Wells and Lyons throwing punches check out the video below (only about 40 secs long).

Since: Jan 1, 2008
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:56 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Forget the brawl for a minute. XU 76, UC 53. UC has been bypassed by XU on the basketball floor for more than 10 years now and the UC people simply can't deal with it. Every sports talk host in Cincinnati are UC fans and rarely give any attention to XU basketball.Every talk show host in town picked UC to win this game.  XU plays in front of a sold out crowd in a beautiful arena every game. UC has a drastically eroding fan base and plays in a 60% empty gymnasium. Most UC fans are still upset that Bob Huggins is gone. XU goes thru a carousel of coaches and keep improving. UC players, coaches, fans simply cannot deal with XU's success in the NCAA tournament over the past decade and they take every opportunity to take a shot at the program. That is Cincinnati. In a town where every team does nothing but lose(UC, Bengals, Reds), you would think this town would embrace XU. But it doesn't with the exception of XU's loyal fan base. The University of Cincinnati has had a long laundry list of these types of incidents....XU has no such history. This was a simple case of XU finally standing up for itself in a town that does not appreciate its existence. My only regret is that XU took the bait and let UC drag XU down to its low moral level. XU is better than that. Learn from it Xavier.....and don't let a low life program lure you in like that again.

Since: Nov 13, 2006
Posted on: December 11, 2011 9:30 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Should send half these punks to the NBDL. No place for this stuff in college sports. Tu Holloway should be dropped for his postgame comments and constant (and I mean every game not just this one) trash talk. You expect it from Cincy after the Huggins years but Xavier should set the tone.

Since: Jan 16, 2007
Posted on: December 11, 2011 6:50 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Nice spelling retard.  Get a dictionary for f***'s sake

Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: December 11, 2011 6:41 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Way to go Xavier. I think you just embarresed yourself even more than the fight did.

Since: Feb 2, 2011
Posted on: December 11, 2011 6:27 pm

Xavier reveals suspensions following brawl

Lyons and Holloway should be suspended for at least six games as well because for one:  they started all of this by trash talking the whole game and it didnt seem like it was in good fun.
Talking trash isn't throwing a sucker punch or clearing the bench. The fact that you are calling for Lyons and Holloway to have the same suspension as Gates is moronic. trash talking does not = sucker punch.

Yes, Kilpatrick started the trash talk on Friday before the game by stating that Holloway "wouldnt start for the Bearcats with the team they have now".  But, to me, that is all in fun because you are suppose to talk trash to your rival(s).  But what Lyons and Holloway did during the game was uncalled for.  Your up 20 points with 10 seconds left and you still want to talk trash to a players face and egg him on to a fight and then say "I did nothing wrong. I was just defending myself and my teammates", that is just bad sportsmanship.
Both teams hate each other and thats fine but don't tell me Kilpatricks words were all in good fun. You reap what you sow if you talk trash before the game then you should expect hear about it when you're down 20 with 10 seconds left and it would most assuredly be "called for". Look at the replay again Guyn got in Holloway's face first starting the confrontation. Why is he in his face when he is down 20 with 10 seconds left? Why wouldn't Holloway respond? Then Guyn shoves Holloway in the face which is "uncalled for" and "bad sportsmanship".

the Bearcats dont need to start a fight to prove how "tough" they are.
Then why did they start it? Guyn clearly lit the fuse with the first physical movement/action. Cinci's bench was also the first clear.

I believe the suspensions for the UC players are adequate compared to what Xavier gave their players.  What Xavier gave their players is a joke. 
Anyone who isn't a Bearcat fan disagrees with you. How is it a joke? Cinci gave a suckerpunch and stomp 6 games. Dez Wells shoved somebody and got four games and Landon Amos got 4 games for a karate kick that didn't connect. You would seriously argue those actions deserve a suspension of as many games as a suckerpunch and stomp?

At least UC shows that the image of the school comes first and your actions as a student-athlete will not put a bad light on their school or you will get punished for your actions.
 Yeah they showed the image so well that multiple national columnists have already called out their punishments as being too weak. Multiple national columnists calling out my school and coach for not backing up their words from a day earlier = not showing the school in a good light.

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