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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: December 12, 2011 2:31 pm
Edited on: December 12, 2011 3:54 pm
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By Gary Parrish

Did somebody really leave Xavier off a Top 25 ballot?

Yes.

And I just used the Poll Attacks to zip him up.

Associated Press poll: You can be disgusted by the scene from Xavier-Cincinnati the other day and turned off by Tu Holloway's post-brawl comments, but the Musketeers are still a damn-good basketball team. They are 8-0 with wins over Vanderbilt, Purdue and UC. They look the part of a top-10 team and should be ranked accordingly.

Which is why it's crazy for The State's Ron Morris to have Xavier unranked.

There are lots of ways to send messages as a sports writer. You can write a column. Or blog. Or Tweet. Or go on a radio station and rant and rave about college players inciting a fight and then, with irresponsible words, basically endorsing the fight after the fact. But the AP poll is supposed to be a ranking of basketball teams without bias. It shouldn't matter what you think of John Calipari's vacated Final Fours or Jim Calhoun's probation or Jim Boeheim's misguided attack on Bernie Fine's accusers or Xavier's role in a nasty brawl. You should just rank the basketball teams as basketball teams based on some combination of expectations and results, and if you don't think Xavier is one of the best 25 teams in the sport then you're not good at looking at box scores or evaluating with your own eyes.

Again, the Musketeers are really, really good.

They belong on everybody's ballot.

Sixty-four of the 65 AP voters understand this. Xavier is in the top 10 of 55 ballots and in the top 13 of 64. The only person to leave the Musketeers unranked was Ron Morris. He made a mistake.

But Ron's not alone in the mistake-making department.

How could he be?

Fletcher Mackel of WDSU-TV in New Orleans and Jon Wilner of the San Jose Mercury News both voted Ohio State ninth after the Buckeyes lost at Kansas. Do you think they know Jared Sullinger didn't play? And that he's coming back? OSU is 8-1 with wins over Duke and Florida. Even if the loss at Kansas would've happened with Sullinger playing, the Buckeyes would still have one of the top-five bodies of work in the country. And beyond that, just use your brain. Does anybody really think there are eight better teams than Ohio State? Because I assure you there are not. If I'm ultimately proved wrong, I'll change my name to Fletcher Wilner. Or something like that.

Coaches poll: If you're ranked 24th you better not lose a road game to the team ranked 10th or else you will punished and dropped from the rankings altogether. That's the lesson from this week's coaches poll. And things like this are stupid every time they happen. Even if I live to be as old as Greg Oden, I'll never understand why voters vote this way.

As I've pointed out before, a team ranked 24th is, by definition, supposed to lose on the road to a team ranked 10th. And when it happens it doesn't mean the losing team doesn't deserve its No. 24 ranking. That's why we kept Harvard at No. 18 in the Top 25 (and one) after its road loss to Connecticut, and also why we kept UNLV at No. 26 after its road loss to Wisconsin. Simply put, I refuse to punish schools for losing road games they're supposed to lose (unless the outcome is really lopsided). Again, it's stupid.

If you didn't think Harvard belonged in the Top 25 last week, fine.

It's debatable.

But a road loss to a higher-ranked team with multiple pros shouldn't have been what moved the Crimson off anybody's ballot. They lost a game a team ranked where they were ranked is supposed to lose. Nothing more. Nothing less. And that result should not have cost them their first national ranking in history.

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Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: December 20, 2011 3:24 pm
 

The Poll Attacks

Then why don't you have a counter argument?  Rip my argument apart if its wrong.
Because it's so laughable I don't need one. Vandy moved up, Harvard moved down. That clearly said more people voted for Vanderbilt than they did Harvard, and that isn't the least bit fair. Besides, voting for Vanderbilt is indefensible at this point anyway.



Since: Mar 7, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2011 4:24 pm
 

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If I ever lose faith in that, and admit that all COLLEGE basketball is, after all,  just a "revolving door for the NBA", I'll swear it off.
You do understand that you're quoting yourself, right?  You made the revolving door comment.  I didn't know that people actually quoted themselves (with quotation marks, no less).  That's what I'm talking about when I mention being pompous and arrogant.  Yikes.



Since: Mar 16, 2007
Posted on: December 14, 2011 3:24 pm
 

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Is that directed at me? I do have an argument. I just wrote it. 

I'm ready to move on here. 



Since: Feb 4, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2011 1:27 pm
 

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You didn't. You're still wrong.



Then why don't you have a counter argument?  Rip my argument apart if its wrong.



Since: Mar 16, 2007
Posted on: December 14, 2011 1:15 pm
 

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Okay. I'm done.

I just wanted to establish that I think that COLLEGE basketball is still COLLEGE basketball. If I ever lose faith in that, and admit that all COLLEGE basketball is, after all,  just a "revolving door for the NBA", I'll swear it off. That would be driving the stake of jadedness through my basketball heart.

Carry on.



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 14, 2011 12:54 pm
 

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What in the name of all things holy is going on today?  I don't have time to read down forty posts i guess, but what does any of this have to do with basketball?  With sports.  If you two want to be alone and make out, exchange phone numbers and get it on.  Otherwise, lets talk about some round ball...




Since: Mar 7, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2011 12:07 pm
 

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You won't hear them say a bad thing about him.



He stuffed a belligerent fan into a trash can during a Final Four. He berated his team's cheerleaders for distracting an IU player during a free throw. He head-butted one player and kicked another—who happened to be his son. In the end, he self-destructed, as so many predicted he would, fired amid allegations of choking a player, throwing a vase at a secretary, and breaking another son's nose and dislocating his shoulder during a hunting trip.

In a 1981 Sports Illustrated profile, Knight tells a black player to help out another player, "Because if you don't start to shape him up, I'll have to get some white guys working on him. You guys don't show any leadership, you don't show any incentive since you started getting too much welfare."

criticized Knight for his racial attitudes is Butch Carter, who later became coach of the Toronto Raptors. In a book, Carter wrote, "I don't know if Knight is a racist, but I know he does not like educated, strong-willed blacks."



30 seconds on the internet and I've got this.  What a great role model.  If you would let your son play for him, you are delusional or abusive yourself.  Wow.  The people that stand up for this clown care only about wins, not young men.  That's shameful.



Since: Mar 7, 2008
Posted on: December 14, 2011 11:33 am
 

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 I would assume from  your "posts" that you are not a college graduate and probably do have not any intentions or ambitions of ever being so. That's your business
I have an undergrad degree from Kalamazoo College, a doctorate from MSU.  I also DETEST people that are pompous idiots who strut around with their freaking diplomas.  Getting a diploma IS EASY.  Pay the bill, pass the classes, even an idiot can do it.  I know that's true, because half the college grads I know are ignorant, self-important, pissants who contribute very little to society.  They hold up their degree like it means something.  BFD.  Do something to help the world, help your neighbor, you know, all the stuff we're really supposed to do.  Pride.  What a waste of an emotion.  

Getting a degree was important to me
That's so damn sad.  I guess you're done now.  You've accomplished an AWESOME goal.  Go pat yourself on the head.  What have you done that's really important?  Anything? 

Somebody else got you too. I
Yeah, jackasses travel in packs.  Ooh, burn, ouch.  I'm sure MANY people are impressed by you.  Why wouldn't they be.  You have a DIPLOMA.



Since: Dec 4, 2010
Posted on: December 14, 2011 8:53 am
 

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I am a Buckeye hoops fan, but, w/o Sullinger playing... they are NOT the #2 team.  When he returns, they will deserve to be ranked that highly. 



Since: Dec 4, 2010
Posted on: December 14, 2011 8:52 am
 

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I am a Buckeye hoops fan, but, w/o Sullinger playing... they are NOT the #2 team.  When he returns, they will deserve to be ranked that highly. 


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