2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 18, 2012 2:38 pm

This thread has finally hit the 1 million view mark!

pretty cool stuff. Think about it, there have been threads before to hit 1M but those were on the General boards like Nascar and Off topic, probably never hit one on a team board.

Thanks guys.
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 19, 2012 10:06 am

Did anyone watch for Cordarro Law vs. the Broncos?  I have it on DVR and will get to it this afternoon.

For those of you who did not know, I have been out of work battling cancer, but I return to work tomorrow after 9 weeks of rehab and two removal surgeries.  My doctor is still amazed at my recovery, I am back to work 19 days after having a tumor removed, the size of a mini football.  Hey I am a Steeler fan, it takes more than Cancer to keep me down.

How does Walter Football have Ray Ray Armstrong going to The Bengals at 43, isn't he suspended. I know they have some real shaky past players, but that seems a stretch for round 2. They ended up with Vontaze Burfict but waited to sign him as undrafted, I see a correlation and I don't think Marvin Lewis is as blind as some would suggest.  The owner on the other hand is an idiot.

 

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 19, 2012 10:36 am

 Hey I am a Steeler fan, it takes more than Cancer to keep me down.

You are the man, our man, I might add.  Congtrats and see you all season long and long thereafter !

Bet you never thought you'd be so glad to get back to work, ... eh !

Congrats on 1mil milestone my stable and ever vigilant friend.


MoS 
MaineofSteel
SinceAug 17, 2008
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 20, 2012 9:43 am

Who is the guy Andrew Perloff for CNN/SI, check out this mock draft.

29. New England Patriots -- Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah

Vince Wilfork will turn 31 this season and he's already playing more defensive end and defensive tackle. The Patriots will get tougher against the run with the productive Lotulelei.

30. Philadelphia Eagles -- Eric Reid, S, LSU

The Eagles have been searching for an answer at safety since Brian Dawkins left. Reid has had some big plays at LSU, including a game-saving interception in the Tigers' regular-season win over Alabama.

31. Pittsburgh Steelers -- John Jenkins, DT, Georgia

Scouts can't help but notice the massive Jenkins when they check out Jarvis Jones. The Steelers did draft Washington nose tackle Alameda Ta'amu in the fourth round of this year's draft, but there's no guarantee they've found Casey Hampton's successor yet.

32. Green Bay Packers -- Sean Porter, OLB, Texas A&M

Porter had 17 tackles for a loss and 9 ½ sacks, and broke up four passes last season. He's 6-2, 235 pounds and would fit in well in the Packers' scheme. Porter will blow up at the Combine thanks to his physical prowess.



Read more: [http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20
12/writers/andrew_perloff/05/01/201
3.nfl.mock.draft/index.html#ixzz245
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Steelers losing to the fudge Packers again, UGGH, and Star Lotulelei lasting until the end of round one, REALLY.  John Jenkins is his pick because Pittsburgh is still trying to replace Casey Hampton. Really? Has this buttwipe even watched Steve McClendon, and the DL in the draft was addressed with Ziggy Hood, Cameron Heyward, and Alameda Ta'amu. Give Moo some slack, he is a rookie learning under John Mitchell. Also they have the Giants picking 20st, I don't see them dropping down that far, and the Jets are a Joke at 21st, they have scored 6 points in 2 pre-season games, they muck soose.

What I did like is Matt Fartley dropping down to 8th, seems more plausible to me.  I still think he went too early on some of the CB's and is too OT heavy. Mingo lasting until the 24th pick, doubtful. And Ozzie taking Ray Ray Armstrong at 25, again very doubtful, if he took T.J. McDonald at that pick, I could buy it.  At least he does not have Tyron Matthieu in his first round mock........
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 20, 2012 5:13 pm

bump for 2 million!!!!!!!!!!!
johno
SinceSep 2, 2006
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 20, 2012 5:19 pm

Ta'amu isn't Hampton's replacement.  Lloyd McClendon is.
SMURPH
SinceOct 20, 2006
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 21, 2012 10:05 am

LLoyd McClendon?? Steve maybe.

Watched some of the Bears and the Seahawk games, not much to see from Ronnie Thorton or Cordarro Law. However on the Redskins I saw some pretty good play from Delvin Johnson, the NT sleeper we liked out of Marshall. The biggest star sleeper of the week has got to be Audie Cole, drafted in the 7th round by the Vikings. On two consecutive defensive plays, he had a pick 6. He just might make the team based on that one half minute of game film.

Mychal Kendricks continues to impress on the Eagles, Fletcher Cox not so much. He got flagged for a PF with a late hit.  Bobby Wagner was pulled in the Seahawks game rather early, I was scanning tape so he might have been injured, the commentary was being blurred by my FF button.

Notre Dame is on tv a lot this fall, keep an eye on Cierre Wood. Only one year as a starter, and he has other RB talent around him so he won't get all the touches. Wood could be a sleeper in the middle rounds. Listed at 6-0, 215 so he has size, but what I like is his vision. So Manti Te'o will be the foucs on D, and Wood on O.  Notre Dame had a dry spell for top level talent in the NFL like they used to, the last two HOF candidates were Jerome Bettis and Tim Brown. We all know Brady Quinn mucks soose, and Jimmy Clauson goes bloats, but maybe things are changing.  Michael Floyd & Golden Tate look good so far and Tyler Eiffert should go late first early second.  THe only notable superstar from current NFL players would be Jason Tuck, but like I said, they are starting to rebound. And no Tom Zbikowski is not worth mentioning, especially after getting trucked Sunday Night.  LOL.
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 21, 2012 10:08 am

Jason Justin Tuck.

fixed it, so many kids these days named Jason, Justin, Brandon, Brent..... what ever happend to Tom, Dave, and just plain old Robert Undecided 
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 21, 2012 5:48 pm

Here's a kid I hope they keep an eye on this fall. He has the body type, the Steelers look for in OLB, along with "splash plays" that Tomlin so often refers too. What do you think NY?


Stansly Maponga**, DE/OLB, TCU
Height: 6-2. Weight: 265.
Projected 40 Time: 4.75.
Projected Round (2013): 2-3.

5/21/12: Maponga was a playmaker for TCU in 2011 and was a disruptive force as a pass-rusher. The speedy defender totaled 55 tackles with 13.5 tackles for a loss, nine sacks and five forced fumbles.

Not only is Maponga quick off the edge, he has natural pad level and leverage to turn the corner. Maponga broke into the starting lineup as a freshman in 2010, and he recorded 32 tackles with 2.5 sacks.

TCU is planning on Maponga being a pass-rushing force. If he duplicates his 2011 season, Maponga could declare for the draft. He looks like a natural 3-4 outside linebacker.

STEEL 68
SinceSep 2, 2008
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 21, 2012 9:12 pm

DE to OLB is hit and miss. Big misses: Brandon Graham, Jerry Hughes . Big hits: LaMarr Woodley, Clay Matthews. Looking up Audie Cole on our War Board, he was #122. Two pick-6's for the Vikings on back to back defensive plays, so yeah we said he could drop into zone.
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 22, 2012 10:43 pm

Here is a kid to keep an eye on, small school sleeper CB out of Louisianna Lafatte, Melvin White.   This is Ike Taylors Alma Mater.
Melvin is currently ranked 5-6th round, we should get a comp pick or two, might be worth looking at him.

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 23, 2012 12:04 pm

Back to Melvin White, his biggest attribute is his quick twitch, according to team members.

If you want to read the profile, you have to do a google search. nfldraftscout Melvin White   just cut and paste.  Due to copyright exclusions, I cannot cut and paste the bio from the original and more informative Draft Scout. THe version on CBS is incomplete for this player and really tells you nothing.

I am interested to see his actual height. Scout lists him as 6-012, articles I am reading and his roster list him as 6-3.

The Ragin Cagins play both Oklahoma State and Florida, so Melvin will be going up against better competition. Fox Sports has been rumored to be televising one of these games, this is coming off of OK State's home page as of yesterday:

Aug. 22, 2012

STILLWATER - Television plans have been finalized for all three of Oklahoma State's 2012 non-conference football games.

The Big 12 Conference and FOX Sports announced today the addition of OSU's games against Savannah State and Louisiana to the FOX Sports TV lineup.

The Cowboys host Savannah State in the season opener on Sept. 1. That game will be available on FOX College Sports. Kickoff will remain at 6 p.m.

In addition, the Cowboys will host Louisiana on Sept. 15 on FOX Sports Net (FSN). As previously announced, that game will kick at 11 a.m.

Other than the Sept 15th game,not sure if we will get a chance to see La. Lafayette on tv. However if White has a good season he may be invited to the Senior Bowl, or worse case the East-West Shrine Game. Keeping in mind those practices are valuable at evaluating the small school players when they step up in competition. THe coaches notes and scout observations will be someting to look forward to if White participates. I believe NFL Network may even televise some of the practices, Mike Mayock will be heavily involved no doubt. If anyone can see potential, I trust Mike.

If anyone catches a Florida Game early, interested in Xavier Nixon, a very talented OT who struggled to keep on weight. He is now over 310 lbs. and his body is maturing, currently listed as only a 7th rounder. I am sure Maurkice Pouncey has an opinion on him fitting the Steeler OL mold or not.  Unless he has a great season, then of course he will move up the boards, (based on his postion and the Conferrence he plays in). He is a current Sleeper pick.

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 23, 2012 12:12 pm

again with cbs being Richards lateley, I can only cut and paste the link to the Melvin White Interview. you cannot click on it and the hyper-link will appear in regular text, not the underlined purple format that it normally used to do, which is how it appears in my preview.

[http://espn1420.com/exclusive-inter
view-with-melvin-white-video/]

Okay, it is an ESPN interview, but I am determained to find out more info on this player that intrigues me. Just like they went to the LB well again with James Harrison at Kent State, why not go  back to the CB well at Louisianna Lafayette where they snapped up Ike Taylor.

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 24, 2012 1:40 pm

Keep an eye on the Georgia Bulldogs this year, especially on Defense. They start two Safeties that I think Pittsburgh should heavily scout.

 here is a link to their home page from CBS, not the greatest, but look at the schedule and see if there will be a game we can watch on a National Level.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo
tball/teams/page/UGA/georgia-bulldo
gs


Bacari Rambo FS, we have talked about, I have seen him ranked anywhere from 2nd round to 5th round.

Shawn Williams, SS, is new to the discussion, projected by NFLDraftscout in the 3-4th round range.

Walter Football's rankings are now 3 months old, I  use it as a guage to see how the players are moving up and down the board as summer practices and the upcoming games shuffle the deck. 
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 25, 2012 12:22 pm

Real Good Article on Ryan Lee on Behind the Steel Curtain.

Those that do  their homework find these undrafted sleepers. I will cut and paste the link, but you guys will have to do the same because CBS only allows their own site links to work.

[http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co
m/2012/8/13/3239051/ryan-lee-from-u
nknown-to-potential-roster-sleeper-
overnight]

here is some of the article, to give those of you something to peak your interest.

Yes folks he has the exact same arm length as [Doug Legursky]. That is why he went undrafted. He is from a small school and doesn't have the physical upside most teams would like. Fortunately the Steelers aren't most teams. His arm length is an issue but if he can play with great technique (i.e. Wide, low base and getting his hands inside defender) it shouldn't hamper his ability too much.

-Against The Philadelphia Eagles-

Overall Grade: +3.0

Run Blocking Grade: +2.5

Pass Blocking Grade: +0.5

Analysis:

Ryan lee took part in 28 plays and he only had five plays where he earned a negative grade from me. Even better news they are all easily correctable mistakes. He was twice late off the ball which caused him to get a bad angle and driven back, good news he got in front of the player to stop them from making a play. In a screen pass he hesitated and completely failed in an attempt to block a linebacker in the open field though this is not as easy as it looks for an offensive linemen. The other two he came off high and allowed the defender to get into his chest and drive him two steps backwards in run blocking which compared to some of the back up linemen isn't that bad. Enough of the negatives lets look at the positives. Lee was ask to pull in a run play we are all familiar with good old 36 Power. He did a great job of leading Batch through the hole he made contact with Eagles LB #57 Clayton (a 3rd year player who plays mainly Special Teams for the Eagle) and drove him 3 yards backwards. On another run play the Steelers ran a off tackle play. The DT #77 was lined up in the 1 technique and slanted hard outside. Lee took his momentum and used it against him pushing him three yard to the left and then pancaking him. The final play I want to highlight happen on the last drive. It was a 2nd and 3 situation the Steelers lined up in a Weak I formation, the DT #74 was lined up as the 3 technique on Lee's side and slanted hard inside, they ran the ball to the right side. Lee the backside guard took this DT and drove him 6 yards off the ball and only stopped cause the whistle blew. Ryan Lee look good against the pass as well. He helped with the double team constantly yet even though he was helping he was always looking to both sides to see if there was pressure coming or if someone else need more help. He looked very aware in pass protection. Most importantly he never missed an assignment and didn't look like a rookie in his first NFL game out their. Why the only +0.5 passing grade then? Well he didn't have to block for long as one of the back up players allowed rusher to get in the backfield on nearly every pass play he was a part of and he was either being helped or helping another player for most of the night as the Eagles only sent for all game long it seemed. It was because of those that he earned just slightly above average grade in the passing game, he just wasn't ask to do much in pass protection. I would like to see him against better competition though instead of the two rookies he went against in the last game. Ryan Lee played a great game and got that game on tape, if he continues this trend I can easily see him as a practice squad player and potentially on the roster.

nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 25, 2012 2:27 pm

doesn't have the physical upside most teams would like....
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That's the only thing I dont get re Lee...  The kid is country strong - unlike some of these guys - see Adams and Beachum...  He is physcially strong enough to play in the NFL from day one..  It's his physical makeup (vs upside) meaning arm length (see the Center the Steelers draftd late a couple of years ago.. Penn State kid from Bridgeville?)  I do hope either tonight - more than likely Thursday if they dont do something stupid and let the kid go.. he sees reps with the two's at least..   You know I how I love these undraftd smaller school kids.  IF the Steelers do not hold on to him - I got a feeling he'll land on someone elses 53 eventually.

Hope Ryan gets a shot - seems like a real nice person too..  heard him interviewed a while back on the steelers depot.

enjoy,

bb
burghball
SinceJan 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 26, 2012 10:01 am

off topic, but did everyone get to see The Mother of All Steeler Man Caves ?

Google it, the guys name is George Danesky and he lives in Northern Georgia.

[http://blogs.sites.post-gazette.com
/index.php/sports/blog-n-gold/24449
-the-mother-of-all-steelers-man-cav
es]
nybites
SinceSep 4, 2007
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2009 Steelers Draft and Mel Kiper Sucks Thread

August 26, 2012 6:52 pm

but did everyone get to see The Mother of All Steeler Man Caves


That is crazy. I love the Steelers but I would never do anything that insane.
gidion72
SinceSep 30, 2008