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wow, Ray Allen the latest to sell his soul, huh...?


sheesh, what's the league coming to...?










CL67

If Ray Allen sell his soul, what exactly did Nash do? Gotta be consistent CL67.

Both guys were in the same position.....Older guys in their late 30's with 2-3 good years left in the league so if one selled his soul then so did the other.

it happened before with the Spurs in '99 and now it's happened again with the Heat in '12.  Don't sweat it, punchline - enjoy your 1.5 titles!

And the only reason people ( Lakers FANS) called the Spurs 1999 title an asterisk because the Lakers cry baby head coach Phil Jackson said it was after the Spurs open a can of whoop ass on the Lakers in the 2nd round that year.

enjoy your 1.5 titles!

yea 16 more regular season games would have help the Lakers win it all???? LOL the two teams that everyone had picked to reach the finals before the lockout made it to the finals.. and guess what next year miami and Thunder rematch again.. young hungry OKC> OLD slow lakers

dahhh, we've OWNED the Spurs BK. Phil discredited it a tad for being a lockout season(nothing more,nothing less). I don't totally agree however(although if you go back and read his quotes throughout the years, he did made some valid points) Besides Phil wasn't even coaching that year.

oh no.  they press is upset and people are mad in cleveland.

Well, that doesn't really explain why the was printing scathing articles on Lebron and the Decision when he announced doing the show and the days leading up to it.  That's the part you seem to ignore when you try to rationalize all the reaction.  It wasn't based on the Cleveland fan reaction.  But you have to ignore that fact in to make your argument.

oh no.  they press is upset and people are mad in cleveland.  i guess miami should act accordingly.  no parties, people are mad.   eff the media and eff cleveland.   we got the best player in the league, the man that will lead us to the next title.. throw a party, who cares whose feelings get hurt.   

um, okay man.  he told Chalmers not yet.. so now all of a sudden he gets it and he is loved.   i think the media forms your opinions for you.    lebron was dancing and bouncing on the sideline with a few minutes left.   he hadnt won yet then.  at what timeframe is it approprate to start celebrating?  do you need someone in the media to give you this answer?

As you can see above, I accidently sent my post before it was finished.  As you can see in my completed post as I rewrote it, I that was one expample I was giving on Lebron's overall behavior throughout the entire playooffs.  

 i think the media forms your opinions for you.    lebron was dancing and bouncing on the sideline with a few minutes left.   he hadnt won yet then.  at what timeframe is it approprate to start celebrating?  do you need someone in the media to give you this answer?

No, the media is not forming my opinion.  I think I am pretty adept at distinquishing commentary and dramatic storyline manufactured by the sports analysis.  And considering I've written for televison for over 20 years, I think I understand when imagines and stories are being framed a certain way to get the viewers to think  a certain way, since I do it myself.

lol, you think Pat Riley was saying 'can we party now?' to ellude to the fact the Heat had a learning curve and now finally got it?   you honestly believe that?   wow.  youre funny.

Are you this dense?   I was pointing out that he understood the criticism.  I know he was taking a dig at his critics, my point is, he understood the criticsim.  He didn't think the press was jealous of he Heat.  He knew why they were criticized before and was basically saying you can't criticize us now because this is an appropriate time.  He knows all the criticism for the party before wasn't  for something as absurd as jealousy.  


  
 

"wow, Ray Allen the latest to sell his soul, huh...?"

Sell his soul?  Actually he sacrificed as he is taking an almost 50% pay cut. He, just like Bosh and James played out his contract and became a FA. If he chooses to do what he feels is best for HIMSELF, the same way every other FA this summer is, why would you have ANY issue with that? 


Did Lin sell his soul? Did Hibbard sell his soul? Did Nash sell his soul?  Did Gordon sell his soul? Did Terry sell his soul? We could go right on down the list. Each and every player makes a decision based on finance or best chance to win, depending on their own situation.


Obvioulsy Allen felt his best chance to win and contribute was in Miami. Combining  that with the fact he can't stand whiney ass Rondo vs the opportunity for him to play with James he elected to leave 3M per year in Boston.


Let's just hope when he gets here that he will respect Spoelstra .   


 "sheesh, what's the league coming to...?"



Pretty much the same thing it always has, regardless of rhetoric and lockouts.

The rich , usually get richer.


Problem for Laker fans now is that the Lakers were always the top FA destination (and are still high on the list). The difference, at least for the next few years is that the Heat now has the better players in their prime who all left $$$$ on the table so Riley could add pieces from day 1 (like Miller and Haslem), and then add pieces like Battier and Allen each year .
             




    

   

"True, but when you have a team that has the same coaches and players, running the same systems that they had the previous year, they have an advantage over a team that is trying to learn new coaches and new systems."


Not quite that simple.  Didn't the Heat have a rookie PG who was thrown into the fire?  Battier was new. Not that it would have made any difference, but they did have Curry who could have used a summer training camp and preseason. Haslem and Miller were both coming off season long injuries.

On top of that, James had to work on his new post up game by himself, etc., etc.

Spoesltra also had spent the summer correcting what he perceived as problems.

As far as the Lakers, read what Lakers fans have said here all year (which I claim is hogwash). They say Kobe and Bynum didn't 'respect' Brown and weren't willing to listen to a word he said anyway. If that was the case, all the practice in the world wouldn't make any difference. 


" Then those teams would make adjustments on defense and that is where you would see the Lakers lack of familiarity with the offense show itself"


You mean teams would start fronting Bynum? Sometimes yes, but come on, they couldn't figure out how to deal with that?

Which teams and what major adjustments are you referring too? I didnl't  see every Laker game, but I specifically remember the Lakers 2 losses to Detroit and Washington, and in both of those games Kobe, for no reason at all quit passing to Bynum who was scoring everytime and forcing up low % shots which eventually cost them both games.     

  "Many times the low percentage shots were the result of the Lakers trying to pound it inside, not being able to get a good shot off and then throwing it out to Kobe with the shot clock about to run out."


That happens to every team every year sometimes regarardless of having a traing camp or not.  You are playing against another team who is trying to stop you.   


      

The Heat won 16 games in the playoffs alright - unfortunately, it just so happened to have come on the heels of a lockout shortened season, that's all, no big deal - it happened before with the Spurs in '99 and now it's happened again with the Heat in '12. Don't sweat it, punchline - enjoy your 1.5 titles!

You do realize the NBA hasnt always had an 82 game season... it's not just the 99 spurs and 12 heat.   the boston dynasty teams of the 50s 60s didnt all play 82 games.   So asterick about half of those titles.   The Minneapolis Lakers won the title in 52, 53, and 54.. but not 82 games.. astericks those as well.

We also should astericks them because they were like 10 teams in the lague back then.   So i say double astericks.

flauge, it's not about the absence of an 82 game season per se that makes the difference with respect to a lockout shortened season, it's moreso about the absence of training camp, the preseason, and the inability for teams to systematically practice over the course of the regular season due to the truncated schedule that principally accounts for the shortcomings of these extremely rare asterisk seasons.

But, hey, I'm so glad the Heat finally won a title with their "Three Kings" under these unusual circumstances!

"D-Day Review: Just Not Enough March 15, 2012 6:38 pm God, everything just needs to be perfect with you! God forbid that the Lakers practice a little due diligence with respect to not getting absolutely killed with supremely onerous luxury taxes! Damn straight the climate has changed - better get used to it! Unless of course you want to buy your own NBA fanchise and start doing business as you see fit! J/K (...not really)...but seriously though, I know you're a business major and I'm not...and you're the objective pragmatist and I'm the carefree homer, but, as always, I appreciate your sound and thorough analysis. It's always the best on these boards. That being said, and now that what's done is done, my suggestion to you and to all Lakers fans is to rid your minds of what could've been, and focus on the here, now, and immediate future of this team - which I submit to you doesn't look all that bad! I'm sorry that you don't feel as though the Lakers are on the elite level that Miami and OKC are, but I'm going to humbly disagree with that assessment and take my chances with this team this season and see what happens in the offseason. See Replies · In Reply To... · Reply · Permalink jefe101"

D-Day Review: Just Not Enough

March 15, 2012  7:43 pm

Oh I've acknowledged almost daily my respect for our big three.  That has NEVER been my issue.  I have them just behind Miami as the best big 3 in b-ball.  My issue is with players 4-10.  You need surrounding talent to win titles.  Sessions helps.  We now have 3 great players and 1 good player, an improvement..

Fair enough.  Besides Sessions, I just so happen to think that a focused Metta World Peace, Steve Blake, Matt Barnes, Andrew Goudelock are also pretty good role players for this team...so, that gets up 8 deep.  And, considering Mike Brown will have effectively shortened his bench to nine come playoff time, that just leaves Hill, Murphy or McBob to fill that last spot.  Again, all in all, I like what we got, and I'm not sure how any other team is so decidedly ahead of us depth-wise.See Replies · In Reply To... · Reply · Permalink

D-Day Review: Just Not Enough

March 15, 2012  8:24 pm

And therein lies the difference..

Understood.

And, to be clear, if the Lakers should fall short of a real championship run, I'll be the first to say, "Gee Q, you were right, I was wrong", so long as you (and Nori, and I suppose ateam) are the first to say, "Gee Jefe, I guess you were right all along" should the Lakers find themselves hoisting the Larry O'Brien trophy (#17, matching the Celtics for most in NBA history) in a parade down Figueroa in June.     See Replies · In Reply To... · Reply · Permalinkjefe101

D-Day Review: Just Not Enough

March 16, 2012  2:44 am     Guys, let's keep things in perspective - Jordan Hill, assuming he beats out Murphy and/or McRoberts for the job, would be the 9th man on Mike Brown's shortened, post-season ready bench/rotation...behind Blake, Barnes and Goudelock.  He'll be lucky to get 8-9 minutes a game - nobody is expecting big numbers from him.  If he can effectively help spell Bynum and Gasol and play some solid defense, he will have earned his keep.  With Ramon Sessions starting at the point, and Metta World Peace ramping up his play, the Lakers starting unit is fixing to be perhaps the league's best.  I don't understand this woe-is-me remorse surrounding the FO's "failing" to have signed/traded for Michael Beasley.     See Replies · In Reply To... · Reply · Permalinkjefe101




This Jefe, is a small sampling of examples  of why you are such a hypocrite.


Seems to me like you were gathering faith in your team and talking of parades.


No mention of asteriks, no problem with the shortened season, no mention of training camp or anything else when you thought the Lakers could win and the Heat couldn't.


IF, the Lakers were champs thisd season I GUARANTEE you would be defending the obstacles of the condensed season vs making excuses.         
      




     
    




     

Wow turnip, you sure went through some great lengths to make not much of a point. How does my rooting on my team (on our team's board BTW) make me a hypocrite? Had the Lakers somehow prevailed last season (in spite of the obstacles created by the lockout shortened season), I would've been perfectly happy with an asterisked title...the Lakers 17th...but, alas, we're talking about the Heat's 2nd title - and the first with your "Three Kings", and Lebron's first ring...or the Heat's 1.5 title and Lebron's asterisked first ring with his free agent buddies. Like I said, congrats! Bang up job! Way to go! You guys are the best team to come out of a lockout shortened/compromised season - bully for you!

that's ALWAYS been Turnip's m.o. talks a LOT(a HELLUVA lot, in fact), but says nothing. at least the clown's consistent...










CL67

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the astericks business is ridiculous.. all the teams had same preseason.   maybe it was harder on some.. but which of the  title contending teams really faced this?   and dont say this years Lakers were title contenders, because they were.   the Bulls, the Spurs, the Heat, OKC, even dallas all had the same system in place for a few years.  


the only team that can claim they were at a disadvantage was LA.   and i will put it to you guys like this.... you could have 5 years with Mike brown's system, you arent title contenders.   newsflash.. even with nash LA isnt title contenders.   they will make playoffs, maybe even as high as #3 or seed (at best).    but LA is not better than OKC or Spurs still.

"Wow turnip, you sure went through some great lengths to make not much of a point."


Not at all. It took about 5 minutes because I remembered we had this debate before and I knew it was on March 15. That is an easy day to remember if you own a business.  


"How does my rooting on my team (on our team's board BTW) make me a hypocrite?  "


The fact that it was on your team board makes you more of a hypocrite then if it was here.  You have stated many times that what you say here is nothing more than Heat hater material whcih means it needs nothing credible to substantiate it.  Hey, I get it. It has to now be an asterik season in your Heat hating life because the Heat won and James had one of the greatest seasons/post seasons in NBA history.  

Fact of the matter is you speak your true feelings on the Lakers thread and you believed the Lakers could win. Nothing wrong with that. You were looking at best case scenario. I don't blame you.  However, nowhere, ever, did you say that if the Lakers won that the season would be tainted in any way. So, in hindsight, to say a Heat win is tainted when you stated the opposite about your team winning (if they would have), does make you a hypocrite. 


    " I would've been perfectly happy with an asterisked title...the Lakers 17th..."

Not buying. Show me once where you EVER implied that if the Lakers won that the championship would be anything but legit in your mind. 

"we're talking about the Heat's 2nd title


The Heat hasn't been a franchise for that long. When you start as an expansion franchise in 1987 I would say they have done rather well.

The only teams that have more then 2 titles  since 1987 are LA, Det, Chicago, and SA.    

So to put it into perspective, the Heat since starting out as an expansion team has found a way to win more titles then a storied franchise like the Boston Celtics. NY hasn't found a way in 40 years.  Your argument of ONLY 2 is pretty lame when you compare where they had to start from and then consider how many cities would LOVE  to have 2 of the last 7 titles and be in a position to be competing for the next few to several. 


Does anybody really care or remember or want to tak about the Minneapolis Lakers titles of 1950. 52, 53 ans 54?  Really???

I'll bet those are fond memories for LA LAker fans!!!    


" and the first with your "Three Kings", "

Correct me if I'm wrong, but havn't they only been together for 2 seasons?  They have 30/32 possible playoff wins. Remember YOU said they could never win. Remember they had no coach, no bench, no PG, no C, no interior defense and you KNEW James would choke when the lights were the brightest.


I'm not saying they have tol, but are you still saying you feel that don't have the assets to repeat? 


"and Lebron's first ring..."

And how many do you feel he should have?  MAYBE 1 more (last season).

Was he supposed to come into the league as an 18 year old and take the worst franchise in the league to a title in year 1? Year 2? Year 3?

You tell me. Which Cavs team SHOULD have won a championship. The answer is NONE.

They should put a statue of James in front of Quicken Loans for what he did do for that franchise because nobody else has ever come close  to positioning them to compete for a championship and they have been a franchise since 1970.       

 "You guys are the best team "

No doubt about it.  I will admit I did have my doubts, but once Ok City was limited to 2 scorers you could see which way the series was going.


Chances are there will be a rematch next season. 



  

  

lebrons crab dribble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqwDWWzCDZ8

The media is blowing this Ray Allen thing waaay out of proportion. First off ray Allen should have retired cause he has nothing left (I've been saying this all offseason not cause he's on the Heat). But let's just say for arguments sake he's got a fraction of jump left in his step. Ray Allen always plays well out of a half court. What do the heat do, fast break. Ray can't guard anyone and he won't be able to move up or down the court in transition. He's a volume shooter which means he will hit 4 3's on Monday but then hit 4 3's in the following week. Can he win you games in the clutch? Absolutely. But I've lost count how many times his need to shoot 10+ shots a game has lost the game. I love ray and I hope he does well (not to well haha). I just don't think he can be counted on consistently anymore because of age and his frequent foot/ankle problems.