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August 11, 2012 4:13 pm

that was BK, not me.   I dont agree with the sentiment.  I do think the Lakers got the better end of both trades, as i would think most NBA observers and even laker fans would agree.

they did give up almost nothing for Gasol.. but in the howard deal they lost bynum.   bynum is the second best center in the league, and the best in the west (or was).. i guess now he is best in east..   either way i wouldnt refer to bynum as "nothing."
Kobe said it, not me.....Posted the link to the article earlier.

Just another case of Kobe throwing a former teammate under the bus by calling Bynum "virtually nothing". 
bksballer89
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August 11, 2012 4:16 pm


It doesn't really add up when you consider the defense the Lakers had at the point guard position to begin with.



Going from C+ defense to F- defense does make a diffrence.

Steve Blake and Derek Fisher were average defenders. 
Even Ramon Session played a little bit of defense.

Fisher probably lost a step or two or three the past few years, but it was not like the defense NASH plays.
And Blake was a fairly adept defender despite being an easy target at times for the "blame game".

The number one reason my Spurs treated Phoenix like a punching bag for all those years was NASH simply sucked on defense.
Tony Parker made a complete Mockery of Nash.  He could dribble anywhere without any resistance.
Amare Stoudemire was always in foul trouble thanks to Nash letting his guys blow past him.

That was a 28-33 yr old Nash...the 39 year old Nash is infinitely worse.

Nash is simply the worst defender ever at that position in the history of the league (counting players who played real minutes).

That is not exaggeration.  It is the reality of his "defense".

There is no coincidence that he never made a Finals. 
His complete lack of defense made them an easy out eventually.


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August 11, 2012 4:24 pm

Yes, it's about competing for championships, until a team is allowed to spend a possible 163mil on one season to fill their roster. Doesn't surpise me though that you have no problem with "The Lakers" being allowed to do so.
Don't worry J_D, once Kobe and Gasol's salaries come off the books after the '13-'14 season, the Lakers will be in line with the other big spending teams and the luxury tax will be minimized as will be the revenue sharing dollars that they'll be handing out...fear not.
Have a feeling we won't see much talk about collusion from ya in the near future.
Nothing has really changed in my thinking on that note...the Lakers continue to build their team through carefully timed individual deals that take advantage of trading carefully developed assets, while the Heat will continue to rest their laurels on the forces that conspired to gut the team in order to land the three biggest free agents in one fell swoop over the summer of 2010, at the virtual exclusion of all other bidding teams, as the "Three Kings" surreptitiously colluded with Pat Riley to gang-up with eachother in one massive, deliberate, ring-chasing effort.

That being said, I promise not to bring it up anymore if you do too.
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August 11, 2012 4:27 pm

Just another case of Kobe throwing a former teammate under the bus by calling Bynum "virtually nothing".
No punchline, actually this is just another case of you lacking basic reading comprehension skills and arriving at your own conclusions without taking the time to understand what someone is actually saying...a skill I believe you developed while flunking out of college.
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August 11, 2012 4:29 pm

And Horns, nash lack of defense will lead to foul trouble for Howard vs teams with great point guards.

Lakers fans like to bring up that Kobe guarded Westbrook in the playoffs but what are you going to do when OKC throw Westbrook, KD, and Harden on the floor at the same time? He has to guard one of them.

Eric Maynor would eat Nash alive also. 
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August 11, 2012 4:30 pm

a skill I believe you developed while flunking out of college.
Got my degree this May....No flunking here son
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August 11, 2012 4:37 pm

No punchline, actually this is just another case of you lacking basic reading comprehension skills and arriving at your own conclusions without taking the time to understand what someone is actually saying...a skill I believe you developed while flunking out of college.
Jefe-

You say BK lacks basic reading comprehension skills and arrived at his own conclusions, and doesnt understand what Kobe is actually saying.

Okay, prove it.  



Here is the section of the article BK pulled his quote from....

The Howard trade sets up a potential Lakers-Heat NBA Finals, which would be a ratings bonanza while pitting the league’s top two players, James and Bryant, in a playoff series for the first time. According to Bryant, “the consensus (among his Olympic teammates) was that there was no way we could get Dwight and still keep Pau. They all know what Pau does for us. I said I think we can make it happen, they said no.

“Well, we got Pau for virtually nothing, so history does repeat itself.”

Read more: [http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b
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Please please please explain how Kobe is not refering to Bynum as ''nothing'' here.   I have got to hear this spin.
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August 11, 2012 4:38 pm

Kobe said it, not me.....Posted the link to the article earlier.

Just another case of Kobe throwing a former teammate under the bus by calling Bynum "virtually nothing".
i know, i read the article.  sorry if i didnt make it clear that you were actually quoting Kobe.   just meant "bk said it" as "bk posted it."

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August 11, 2012 4:52 pm

This could possibly be the most hilarous spin by a Lakers fan ever on this thread....Should be interesting.
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August 11, 2012 5:03 pm

Please please please explain how Kobe is not refering to Bynum as ''nothing'' here.   I have got to hear this spin.
flauge. there is no "spin" required.  You're taking what Kobe is saying out of context and assuming that when he say "history does repeat itself" that the subject of this statement is specifically this idea of "getting Pau for virtually nothing".  Andrew Bynum has nothing to do with the statement.  What Kobe is referring to is this idea that the Lakers FO always seems to find a way to put together great deals.  What is "repeating itself" isn't "getting something for nothing", it's this business of always being able to pull off great deals.

Perhaps you should consider alternate sources to better understand the context of such statement.

Here's an excerpt from an article in today's LA Times, who are also covering Kobe at the Olympics...
Are his Olympic teammates upset at the potential change of order in the NBA, with the Lakers once again somehow finding their way back to the top?

"They're not saying much to me; I've heard they are, but we haven't had those conversations yet," Bryant said with a chuckle.

He got serious when he confirmed that this trade is really not about Dwight Howard, but about the Lakers, and their consistent commitment to a championship. Even amid leadership transition, with Jim Buss taking sometimes awkward control from Jerry Buss, the Lakers refuse to be anything but the Lakers. This trade was a huge win for the younger Buss, another huge endorsement of General Manager Mitch Kupchak, and yet another reason the Lakers are the best franchise in professional sports.

"History speaks for itself," said Bryant. "There are certain franchises that seem to make all the right decisions. The credit goes to management. The CP [Chris Paul] trade falls through, they regroup, and they come up with something that's even better. It's impressive."
My question is, why are Heat fans such morons?
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August 11, 2012 5:20 pm

This could possibly be the most hilarous spin by a Lakers fan ever on this thread....Should be interesting.
Punchline, your erroneous characterization of Kobe Bryant's statements could possibly be the crowning achievement in your long and storied history of being the CBS Sports Online Community's biggest walking punchline...and this board's second biggest thread clown after turnip.
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August 11, 2012 5:44 pm

flauge. there is no "spin" required. You're taking what Kobe is saying out of context and assuming that when he say "history does repeat itself" that the subject of this statement is specifically this idea of "getting Pau for virtually nothing". Andrew Bynum has nothing to do with the statement. What Kobe is referring to is this idea that the Lakers FO always seems to find a way to put together great deals. What is "repeating itself" isn't "getting something for nothing", it's this business of always being able to pull off great deals.
So your contention is this...   When Kobe says this “Well, we got Pau for virtually nothing, so history does repeat itself.”   The second part of his sentence, has actually nothing to do with the first part.   The 'getting Pau for virtually nothing' part of his statement has nothing whatsoever to do with his VERY NEXT 5 words.   Those 5 words are intended to be the lakers putting together deals.   Even though the deal he references is the Pau deal, and the cost to the Lakers.   Those 5 words dont mean the Pau deal, they mean every other deal the lakers do where they pay a price.   Kobe's inclusion of the Pau deal and it's cost is just some random thing he said.  

Gotcha man.    Wow the mental gymnastics you are pulling here.   Wouldnt just be easier to say this..

What Kobe means was losing Bynum costs the Lakers virtually nothing because those minutes are filled by a better player, Dwight Howard.   Kobe is human, and just kind of phrased the whole thing wrong.    No.. Kobe to perfect for that, too?





Perhaps you should consider alternate sources to better understand the context of such statement.

Here's an excerpt from an article in today's LA Times, who are also covering Kobe at the Olympics...
Nobody is talking about another Kobe interview.   BK and I are talking about this particularly comment in this particular article and what it implies Kobe thought of Bynum.    Pulling stuff from other things is erroneous and not what were discussing.


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August 11, 2012 5:53 pm

I hope that "nothing" player signs with my team if the 76ers cant get him.

he might be "nothing", but there is about 31 teams who would climb over themselves to acquire his "nothingness".

It is still early in the experience, but it appears that Kobe is going to badmouth his former teammates like usual.

Kobe is a great player, but his ego needs to be checked when he makes quotes like that last one.

I am not sure why he does this every few years.

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August 11, 2012 6:08 pm

Are you guys totally daft? Horns, I'm a little surprised at you... "History repeating itself" is totally a direct reference of the Lakers propensity for making great deals, of which the Pau deal ("for nothing") was just one example, and this latest deal for Howard being another...hence, "history does repeat itself". It is you who are putting the additional spin of attributing Kobe's statement to further include Andrew Bynum. How is it even possible to think of Andrew Bynum as "virtually nothing"...it doesn't even make sense. You guys are reading WAY too much into this.
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August 11, 2012 7:17 pm

 You guys are reading WAY too much into this.
I don't think so....It is a pretty simple quote to understand what Kobe meant by his quote. In HIS OPINION they got Pau for nothing and he thinks history repeated itself this time as in his opinion they got dwight for "virtually nothing".
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August 11, 2012 7:37 pm

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August 11, 2012 8:03 pm

Hahahahahahahahaaaaaa...!!!


gotta LOVE Heat fan AND Lakers haters...

keep telling us how much trouble we've got. that'll slow 'em down... 
















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August 11, 2012 10:32 pm

keep telling us how much trouble we've got. that'll slow 'em down...

now that's cute.   keep telling you guys you've got trouble?  where have you been the past year.  all i heard all last season was how much trouble miami was in.  from ALL of you.   BK and I tended to be the voice of reason on the Heat board and here when things werent going well for miami. 

and now you think the roles have reversed because you signed a couple guys this offseason?  

Lakers are better, no doubt.  how much better remains to be seen.   what i do know is OKC is still in the West.  And i am happy about that.  You guys can deal with them or the Spurs.. maybe both.  I like our chances in the East right now.   Boston got worse, Chicago got worse..  but hey the 76ers look better.   now i dont know the salary cap and what it will be like in 2-3 years.  and i dont care. 

this laker team is trying to be what the miami heat already are, the defending champs.   i still say Miami is better.   I guess time will tell.


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August 11, 2012 10:34 pm

Wow are u guys serious about breaking down a quote to just find more reasons to hate on Kobe..First time i even saw it and ive been watching all the news about this trade....Im sure if it was something with any substenance then the media would have gotten ahold of it and made a big deal about it...All this mish mashing from the Heat fans is hilarious....Some of u guys need to get a life instead of sitting around coming up with all jibber jabber about this trade...lakers are a better team then last year and our serious contenders..Let it be settled on the court now...last time i checked u guys just one a ring, enjoy it and stop being yentas....
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August 11, 2012 11:10 pm

Lakers are a better team then last year and our serious contenders..
And who said otherwise?
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