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BB.....can we agree that the interventionism is hurting our standing among other nations?   Who are we to micromanage every other nation's business? 

Yes, interventionism is killing us at home and abroad, literally. 

 

The FED is manipulating interest rates and discouraging savings

Because we must remain forever "consumers", so we can help raise the standard of living for people in Bejing and Bombay. Nevermind what is happening here in the U.S.

Totally changing the subject

Does anybody else think theire is too much standing around in college basketball ?   Not during the action, but during too many timeouts

This stopping the clock and disrupting the flow of a game,  so that sports fans must watch commercials instead of watching the game (Toy grammar alert    I just posted a sentence fragment in your honor)

Tv time outs at preordained times? seriously?

In the Utah game today, Utah takes a "30" second time out at the 4:07 mark    Maybe Albert Einstein could explain in laymen's terms, why 30 seconds during a basketball game lasts between 4 to 5 minutes

Alternative reality?  Laws of physics don't apply on a basketball court?

After that delay, we now must take the mandatory under 4 minute tv timeout

Really??  We stop the game so that the network can have more commercial time?

Imagine if it was baseball

2 on, 2 out, top of the third, 1-2 count

Time!!   folks we'll finish this at bat after the mandatory 39 ptiches time out........

....So that they can advertise great products, like the hygiene deoderant for men called Umpire,for men with foul balls?

Or the new deoderant called vanish?   apply it and you disappear, and then nobody knows where the smell is coming from

Well gotta run, the under 16 minute tv timeout finally is over

speak of the devil, they just called a tv timeout at the 10:50 mark of the first half In the Miami/Clemson game

Talk about standing around, Miami just hit a three to make it 8-2

***What is wrong with pointing out the truth? Truth is Red ( In case you missed it ) you have leading dems who won't even admit this country has a spending problem. Hint:Recent comments by Pelosi and Harkin made these just this last week.

Toyota, to a certain degree Pelosi is right.  For nearly fifty years we continued to cut taxes and then not find the revenue for what is being spent.  It's like the old adage--"which came forst the chicken or the egg?"  What came first the deficit or the lack or revenue to keep our budget balalnced?  The assumption was that if the taxes were cut we'd see more revenue in the pot to avoid the deficits we now have.....News flash that didn't happen.  In fact over the last 50 years, BOTH parties have cheated to make said deficits look smaller than what they were.  They stole from SS, Medicare, the Post Office, all in the name of "saving face."
 
Did the dems get a raise in revenue at years end? Yes...the GOP went with it with the promise of cuts...apparently, the dems lied again about the deal..have you seen a detailed list of cuts proposed by a dem? Has obama formulated a plan?

Is that revenue enough to cover what has been sucked out of SS, Medicare, & the Post Office over the last three  decades (minimum)?  And these wern't the only programs that hve taken a hit.  Like it or not our own government stole from us and before we can talk about cuts/streaminling/making things run more efficiently one has to include revenue that was taken away in the first place.  The tax cuts that Obama got won't make any of these programs solvent. 

The potus' speech was about more defecit spending...stimulus monies to go for infrastructure repair, more monies for education...monies we don't have and contrary to his bs that doing this won't add one dime to debt or defecit...

And it's this type of logic that is making the GOP the laughing stock of American politics.  Infrastructure repair is the primary key to keeping many industries here in this country.  Railways and interstates are still the most inexpensive ways to move goods throughout the country.  Without the repairs and improvements we face more problems than we already do.  This is one area that states have NOT been able to keep up due to this crippling recession.  My state was supposed to have a north/south freeway ten years ago.  It was in the state budget...it's now going to cost 5 times what it was planned for.  With federal assistance, this can be done.  And it's NOT something that can be put off any longer.  This isn't a luxury, it's a necissity.  And putting thousands if not millions of people back to work all but eliminates losing money on the investment. 

And when it comes to education, Republicans just aren't thinking in long term investment.  Either that or they just lack the guts because of the pressure being put on them for budget cuts.  'll give you this.  The initial investment in education will not be immediate.  But it will happen.  My old junior high school (it's old now because it was brand new when I started there--50 years ago)  is in dire need of a new heating/airconditioning/electrical system. Mind you this isn't even a blighted "urban" area.  For the last ten years the city has done nothing more than put bandaids on these systems to the tune of 5 million dollars simply because the city cannot afford to replace the existing systems.  How can you provide an environment where you don't have proper heat in the winter and cool air in the warmer months without assistance from somewhere?  A good education isn't about having enough teachers or the right books, it's about having the proper environment so that the children will want to come and learn.

BTW, the difference between private and public sector streamlining and an increase in efficiency is simple...in the private sector is either you realize your companies deficiencies and make changes or you risk going out of business. In the public sector...if you try and fail...you always have that recenue stream coming your way or it can be increased by a beaureucrat...so, which side really has the desire to address these issues?

Toyota, we are beyond your fear mongering rhetoric on this issue.  Problem is if you think either the private or public sector has done a decent job of streamling, you're nuts.  But even with both sides, if you going to really truly streamline and become more efficient, you have to accept the fact that "cutting jobs" alone will not do the job.  You have to inverst in the infrastructor as well.
  
 
 

but, no one seems to want to address the real problem and that being dealing with the mentally unstable...

THAT is only part of the problem.  STiffer back ground checks.  Available health records to make the stiffer background checks.  And then the obvious.  We have more crazies out on the streets simply because the money isn't there to treat them.  Not from the local budgets, the state budgets, and here it comes MORE money from the federal budget.  That won't happen unless there is more "revenue" coming on to pay for it.  NEBREASKA had at one point three hospitals strategically place in the state to help mental illness.  But with this small tiny insignificant recession, we now have one.  It's not large enough, doesn't have the proper helathcare people, and doesn't have enough beds to accomodate those that need help even in a state with only a poplation of under two million. 

Toyota, even if you want to sufficiently address this issue (mental illness that is supposedly creating all this roadkill), you need thet facilities and the medical personnal to help the people.  But of course you don't want this because you're against enough incoming revenue from the federal government to make this possible.    

the ones that don't get it, are those like YOU...obviously people aren't shooting and killing for the fun of it, its a way of life, survival...they are reacting to the conditions that they happen to live under, and many of those are MENTALLY ILL because of a lifetime , since birth, of living in those conditions.....just as we have soldiers that can spend a year in a war zone and return home unstable, needing professional care, often suffering from depression and other mental illnesses....don't  you think kids growing up in a war zone in some of our poorer neighborhoods are suffering in the same manner...and not being diagnosed, and treated properly, will lead to more bad behavior???...and it isn't just a year or 2 of duty in a war zone, its their entire lifetime...if you truly want to fix the problems, make the committment to change the conditions in the inner cities, the war zones right here on our soil...

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all else remains ... this man brings to the table the strongest content of any here. Thank You ! 

Ok, as for the game today .

I scalped a 40 dollar face ticket to 30, and had a pretty decent seat. Just like the NHL, one cannot make out the puck. Kinda gotta imagine it...

That said, I made it through one period and one intermission. The team marching bands both were there and both did well. Hard hitting scoreless duel whn I left, still don't know who won, lol. Great view of our fair skyline from the seats.

For the spectacle of it,  I wouldn't trade it for a million.

Started off by tromping the same ground as in Nov 2008 , all the memories came racing back. Nice.

Also nice is the TRex replica , made of metal, in front of the Field Museum.

Hockey was ok, a step below AHL level, but really enjoyed the mighty mites between periods ... The goalie from one team was 5 minutes late ... and all the tykes had fun.

Intersport put on the event, they are a firm putting on events such as collegiate and high school  slam dunks. and similar. A somewhat entrepenurial foreign outfit, i gather, not tied to TV networks. I'll keep an eye on them. They may br going places.

The event today was a culmination of two weeks of clinics for the kids, high school hockey and the rest. 

I predict, this spring you will see alot of spandex, mostly black. My advice, sit back and enjoy, They are doing amazing things with that fabric nowadays.

 

Actually, this was the first time I'd been inside Soldier's Field since the remake, and they did well with it. The seating now is much more intimate, and I can see where crowd noise can make a little dent on the oppo offense, Rodgers excluded.

Saw some nice tributes to Bears' greats, past and present. 

My proudest, as a Bears fan, is the 73-0 whipping of the Redskins in DC, 1940.

11 touchdowns by ten diff players, 8 interceptions.

Can that record be broken? I gotta think if Bellichik and Brady have yet to do it, maybe noone can. The teams are far too evenly matched to allow such a thing again.

And the points I scored at work today , a dreat inspired day on the most beautifuk city I know. There may be others as beautiful, but none moreso,

 

toy  more posts with pathetically weak, uninspired,boring, and intellectually deficient insults

Not surprised    I mean you are the dumbest person on the planet  

Still no answer as to why you called Hubert Humphry a pos

You probably dont even know who he is   Probably you think he is a pos because that's what Sean Hannity told you to believe

blah, blah...blah...

nice try Mr. Kotter.

as I said before...my question came first. Why didn't you serve?

and as usual you have nothing to add to any conversation. Check out Red...at least he has the capability to respond based on his beliefs...

you, not so much...


BTW, no one would respond to you on the college hoops board, huh?

the ones that don't get it, are those like YOU...obviously people aren't shooting and killing for the fun of it, its a way of life, survival...they are reacting to the conditions that they happen to live under, and many of those are MENTALLY ILL because of a lifetime , since birth, of living in those conditions.....just as we have soldiers that can spend a year in a war zone and return home unstable, needing professional care, often suffering from depression and other mental illnesses....don't  you think kids growing up in a war zone in some of our poorer neighborhoods are suffering in the same manner...and not being diagnosed, and treated properly, will lead to more bad behavior???...and it isn't just a year or 2 of duty in a war zone, its their entire lifetime...if you truly want to fix the problems, make the committment to change the conditions in the inner cities, the war zones right here on our soil...

Really? Who is or should be responsible for changing conditions in the inner cities? Is it mine or is it the citizens that reside there?

How is gunning down teenage boys or girls...playing survival of the fittest?

Maybe, the cause is the breakdown of the family. Instead of a father figure in these peoples lives they lean on gang bangers?

If what you say is true...why don't we see this type of violence in the asian communities of the inner city?

BTW, last time I looked there weren't any fences that kept people in the inner cities...they are free to move to a new area and start a new life...

before you say they can't...check out the illegals in this country. At least they move to find work and look to improve their families lives. Imagine that...

If it's all about mental illness...I'm sure there is a provision in obamacare to address this...right?

What kind of ideas do you have to fix this?

repeating the same thing over and over...and over...

You mean like that^^

Me calling you stupid over and over is not dementia    you are not smart enough to have a real discussion on anything

shoot back some lol's and exclamation points

Those are the only 2 things you do well    probably it's because you do them over and over and over and over

That's 4 overs to your three


lol...keep telling everyone you taught / tutored...sorry, Mr. Kotter, you make too many mistakes to convince anyone that was once a profession of yours...

BTW, I can't think of anything you do well...I see little evidence of you carrying on a conversation regardless of topic with someone on here...



So, will you answer why you skipped the draft so I can respond to your question on HH? I didn't think so...

but, no one seems to want to address the real problem and that being dealing with the mentally unstable...

THAT is only part of the problem.  STiffer back ground checks.  Available health records to make the stiffer background checks.  And then the obvious.  We have more crazies out on the streets simply because the money isn't there to treat them.  Not from the local budgets, the state budgets, and here it comes MORE money from the federal budget.  That won't happen unless there is more "revenue" coming on to pay for it.  NEBREASKA had at one point three hospitals strategically place in the state to help mental illness.  But with this small tiny insignificant recession, we now have one.  It's not large enough, doesn't have the proper helathcare people, and doesn't have enough beds to accomodate those that need help even in a state with only a poplation of under two million. 

Toyota, even if you want to sufficiently address this issue (mental illness that is supposedly creating all this roadkill), you need thet facilities and the medical personnal to help the people.  But of course you don't want this because you're against enough incoming revenue from the federal government to make this possible.    


Red...this whole debate really intensified because of Newtown massacre. Background checks did their job. The shooter was declined a purchase of weapons because of it.

Like the vast majority of killers...they break laws leading up to them commiting these types of crimes

Everything proposed so far by the left or the potus would not have stopped any of the massacres...

we both agree that mental illness is the root of the problem and needs to be addressed. My thoughts are similar to what we do in hunting / fishing licenses. In these cases...much of the monies goes to the replenishing of fish in lakes, education ( hunter safety ), etc.

Why couldn't they ( politicians ) create a bill and charge a fee for a license to own and carry and put the majority of the cost to mental illness checks or rehab? If owning a gun meant for me to help fund those in need of help...I'd be for it...and so would the majority of others...

If only the criminals would subject themselves to the same measures law abiding citizens do...

***What is wrong with pointing out the truth? Truth is Red ( In case you missed it ) you have leading dems who won't even admit this country has a spending problem. Hint:Recent comments by Pelosi and Harkin made these just this last week.

Toyota, to a certain degree Pelosi is right.  For nearly fifty years we continued to cut taxes and then not find the revenue for what is being spent.  It's like the old adage--"which came forst the chicken or the egg?"  What came first the deficit or the lack or revenue to keep our budget balalnced?  The assumption was that if the taxes were cut we'd see more revenue in the pot to avoid the deficits we now have.....News flash that didn't happen.  In fact over the last 50 years, BOTH parties have cheated to make said deficits look smaller than what they were.  They stole from SS, Medicare, the Post Office, all in the name of "saving face."

***Red...come on...you can't be serious. This depression we are currently in has offered up many lessons in life that our govenment should look at seriously and implement them. When a two income family suddenly find themselves a one income family...what do they do? They cut spending! Instead of a gas guzzler, they trade to a more fuel efficient vehicle, instead of steak...they eat hamburger....they cut to make ends meet...the mortgage gets paid and all discrecinary spending gets cut that can get cut. Why the government and the left doesn't get it is beyond me?
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Did the dems get a raise in revenue at years end? Yes...the GOP went with it with the promise of cuts...apparently, the dems lied again about the deal..have you seen a detailed list of cuts proposed by a dem? Has obama formulated a plan?

Is that revenue enough to cover what has been sucked out of SS, Medicare, & the Post Office over the last three  decades (minimum)?  And these wern't the only programs that hve taken a hit.  Like it or not our own government stole from us and before we can talk about cuts/streaminling/making things run more efficiently one has to include revenue that was taken away in the first place.  The tax cuts that Obama got won't make any of these programs solvent. 

Do we hold politicians responsible for gutting these programs? For the most part...NO! They make promises that are never kept. This potus asked for a balanced approach...he now has more revenue...but, no cuts have been made or proposed...it takes both and we have only seen one side so far...
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The potus' speech was about more defecit spending...stimulus monies to go for infrastructure repair, more monies for education...monies we don't have and contrary to his bs that doing this won't add one dime to debt or defecit...

And it's this type of logic that is making the GOP the laughing stock of American politics.  Infrastructure repair is the primary key to keeping many industries here in this country.  Railways and interstates are still the most inexpensive ways to move goods throughout the country.  Without the repairs and improvements we face more problems than we already do.  This is one area that states have NOT been able to keep up due to this crippling recession.  My state was supposed to have a north/south freeway ten years ago.  It was in the state budget...it's now going to cost 5 times what it was planned for.  With federal assistance, this can be done.  And it's NOT something that can be put off any longer.  This isn't a luxury, it's a necissity.  And putting thousands if not millions of people back to work all but eliminates losing money on the investment. 

Wrong...taxation is the reason companies move. There wouldn't be any accounts in the Cayman Islands if our tax system wasn't so whacked out. We currently have the highest corporate tax rates in the world and politicians scratch their heads as to why these companies decide to do business elsewhere? They are in business to make money not to fund social programs on their backs...
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And when it comes to education, Republicans just aren't thinking in long term investment.  Either that or they just lack the guts because of the pressure being put on them for budget cuts.  'll give you this.  The initial investment in education will not be immediate.  But it will happen.  My old junior high school (it's old now because it was brand new when I started there--50 years ago)  is in dire need of a new heating/airconditioning/electrical system. Mind you this isn't even a blighted "urban" area.  For the last ten years the city has done nothing more than put bandaids on these systems to the tune of 5 million dollars simply because the city cannot afford to replace the existing systems.  How can you provide an environment where you don't have proper heat in the winter and cool air in the warmer months without assistance from somewhere?  A good education isn't about having enough teachers or the right books, it's about having the proper environment so that the children will want to come and learn.

Interesting story Red...my town has faced the same issues recently. We, as a city voted through referrendum to overide the school budget to address these issues. Is my taxes going to go up? Yes, and my fellow citizens feel its worth it. Our school system year after year ranks in the top five in the state because we care about education and put our money where our mouth is...in the last ten years we have build three new elementary schools ( four track ) and are going to completely remodel our junior high to the tune of an additional 6 million...education isn't a dem or repub thing...quality education can't be achieved unless the locals buy into the benefit short term and long term...fact.
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BTW, the difference between private and public sector streamlining and an increase in efficiency is simple...in the private sector is either you realize your companies deficiencies and make changes or you risk going out of business. In the public sector...if you try and fail...you always have that recenue stream coming your way or it can be increased by a beaureucrat...so, which side really has the desire to address these issues?

Toyota, we are beyond your fear mongering rhetoric on this issue.  Problem is if you think either the private or public sector has done a decent job of streamling, you're nuts.  But even with both sides, if you going to really truly streamline and become more efficient, you have to accept the fact that "cutting jobs" alone will not do the job.  You have to inverst in the infrastructor as well.

fear mongering? How about a reality check here Red...the private sector does the same things as I mentioned above that families do or they go out of business....that is a fact...they don't have the luzury of counting on a certain revenue stream like the public sector does...

BTW Red...what is the most expensive part of business? It's labor...another fact. Also, private businesses DO NOT look at cutting it first however....they look at cutting other items first such as operating income, raw material costs, they lean on vendors to get better deals...they cross train personel, they implement efficiency programs...how do I know? That's my job!
 
 

Who is or should be responsible for changing conditions in the inner cities?...

...the society that is responsible for creating the conditions in the first place, with responsibilty needed from all citizens, including those that live there....of course your logic says, poverty and poor conditions in this country will be fixed , when lazy, poor people decide to fix it....just like wall st. bankers who played a huge role and helped drive the country's economy into the ground, creating horrible conditions for all...and you of course expected THEM to take responsibility and fix it, right??

What kind of ideas do you have to fix this?....

...what do you have other than saying poor people are lazy, and should help themselves, and rich people, are smart, hard working job creators, that should be given all the breaks to fix the problems, that aren't being fixed???..

...if it makes sense for every administration to go into poorer countries, poorer communities and help build them up, then why wouldn't that same approach work in our own country...when we decide to focus on fixing the problems in our worst communities vs. helping rich folks to avoid paying taxes, then we will see change...get the drugs, the guns, the criminals out of the community, bring in development and opportunity for people to strive, then we will see improvement...until then we will see the poorest people remain in those communities and prey on each other for survival...if we invested $$$ in those  poorest areas as we have invested in big banks, wall st., etc...we probably wouldn't be talking about problems in those communities, because good people, good jobs and investment would be flooding those communities to solve problems and make money as well...a win, win for all involved...

 

Who is or should be responsible for changing conditions in the inner cities?...

...the society that is responsible for creating the conditions in the first place, with responsibilty needed from all citizens, including those that live there....of course your logic says, poverty and poor conditions in this country will be fixed , when lazy, poor people decide to fix it....just like wall st. bankers who played a huge role and helped drive the country's economy into the ground, creating horrible conditions for all...and you of course expected THEM to take responsibility and fix it, right

***Interesting...so, you dismiss what our current immigrants are doing? They move to find work...they move to find a better life for their families...what makes those in the inner city stay there if conditions are favorable for a betterment of life elsewhere?

What kind of ideas do you have to fix this?....

...what do you have other than saying poor people are lazy, and should help themselves, and rich people, are smart, hard working job creators, that should be given all the breaks to fix the problems, that aren't being fixed???..

***Certain segments of the population are lazy...there is no disputing that...its not a black or white or hispanic thing...all groups have them. Personally, if I was in that situation I would make every attempt to move...why would you want to subject yourself or family to the violence if you didn't have to? Have you seen what un-trained people that moved to North Dakota are making in the oil fields? It's unbelieveable but, many made the move not knowing what their future held...beside a dream of a better life. 

...if it makes sense for every administration to go into poorer countries, poorer communities and help build them up, then why wouldn't that same approach work in our own country...when we decide to focus on fixing the problems in our worst communities vs. helping rich folks to avoid paying taxes, then we will see change...get the drugs, the guns, the criminals out of the community, bring in development and opportunity for people to strive, then we will see improvement...until then we will see the poorest people remain in those communities and prey on each other for survival...if we invested $$$ in those  poorest areas as we have invested in big banks, wall st., etc...we probably wouldn't be talking about problems in those communities, because good people, good jobs and investment would be flooding those communities to solve problems and make money as well...a win, win for all involved...

No business in their right mind would invest in those areas. The crime and violence is something they can avoid. Where are the community leaders, the church leaders, the fathers and mothers? It has to start somewhere? Why not there? If you think total government intervention is the answer...hasn't that been going on for years now with little or no progress?

I agree with you on some of the above...I think this country spends too much elsewhere around the world and that money should stay here and help those in need before trying it elsewhere...

I notice too that you neglected education...how can you improve education in these areas until it is safe for the good teachers to move there and work?  

 

so, you dismiss what our current immigrants are doing? ...

#1, not all immigrants are doing well, or succeeding here, and I don't discount those that have succeeded, and I certainly don't discount those black foks that have overcome poor conditions, poor communities and have been able to make a better life for themselves...BUT for those that remain trapped in those bad situations, we obviously need to do more...and #2 all black folks are not poor, uneducated, live in poor communities, don't care to work, are gangbanging and don't wish to leave bad neighborhoods when they can...a small minority of bad people make it worst for the entire community...but as you have seen the middle class diminish, what do you see growing??...the underclass, and its happened by design...poor people don't choose to be poor, nor do they choose to live in bad communities, nor choose to kill each other every day...obviously there are many factors that have lead to the conditions, and to the  behaviors...

 

...so basically you are saying what you always say...poor people should be more responsible and get themselves out of a bad situation, and not expect any government help...and I ask again is that what you wanted and expected wall st. , big banks, big business to do when they rigged the system, ruined the economy, and were left struggling 5 years ago...take responsibility for their mess and fix it themselves??....don't wait or expect for government to fix it??...and yet, they all got help, assistance, a hand up, and now they are all right back in business, doing the same again...

If you think total government intervention is the answer.

...I don't think I ever said that, I said the responsibility lies on a society that has allowed certain communities to get to this point...its the responsibility of ALL, including those in that community to find solutions to the problems, THATS WHAT I SAID...you simply repeat your same old tired lines...and government is certainy a part of the solution, a big part...as well as the community at large, the churches, the business commnunity, etc...its all needed...

so, you dismiss what our current immigrants are doing? ...

#1, not all immigrants are doing well, or succeeding here, and I don't discount those that have succeeded, and I certainly don't discount those black foks that have overcome poor conditions, poor communities and have been able to make a better life for themselves...BUT for those that remain trapped in those bad situations, we obviously need to do more...and #2 all black folks are not poor, uneducated, live in poor communities, don't care to work, are gangbanging and don't wish to leave bad neighborhoods when they can...a small minority of bad people make it worst for the entire community...but as you have seen the middle class diminish, what do you see growing??...the underclass, and its happened by design...poor people don't choose to be poor, nor do they choose to live in bad communities, nor choose to kill each other every day...obviously there are many factors that have lead to the conditions, and to the  behaviors...

***Where did I say they all ( immigrants ) were doing good. I said they MOVE to find a better life. Trapped my arse...they have the means to move...they have the means to better education...and no where have I said all blacks are lazy, don't want to work, etc. Obviously, the ones responsible for the vast majority of violence has been gang related. You just said it again...so, how do you remove the cancer in the inner cities? Does the National Guard need to come in and remove them? WHAT? 

...so basically you are saying what you always say...poor people should be more responsible and get themselves out of a bad situation, and not expect any government help...and I ask again is that what you wanted and expected wall st. , big banks, big business to do when they rigged the system, ruined the economy, and were left struggling 5 years ago...take responsibility for their mess and fix it themselves??....don't wait or expect for government to fix it??...and yet, they all got help, assistance, a hand up, and now they are all right back in business, doing the same again...

***You can't help those that won't help themselves....sorry. BTW, this mess was there for many years...blaming the wall street and bankers at this point isn't logical and doesn't do a thing to fix any problem. When and who developed this vast conspiracy to keep the poor down? It's more advantagious for them to succeed rather than keep them in poverty...as I said earlier ( I guess you missed it ) I AM FOR keeping monies here to help rather than sending it overseas...

If you think total government intervention is the answer.

...I don't think I ever said that, I said the responsibility lies on a society that has allowed certain communities to get to this point...its the responsibility of ALL, including those in that community to find solutions to the problems, THATS WHAT I SAID...you simply repeat your same old tired lines...and government is certainy a part of the solution, a big part...as well as the community at large, the churches, the business commnunity, etc...its all needed...

***We pretty much agree if you read my replies. One thing different is I believe government intervention should be kept to a minimum...The return of pride in the community will be greater if done more at a local level than done by some washington bureaucrat

and OMG, among the S. Africa mes, the meteorite, and the asteroid, and Dorner , THE BIGGEST STORY THIS WEEK IS THAT BSTING THINKS I AM A PART OF THE MULTI CROWD OF HOPONPOP ,

W        T                  F  !!!!!!!!!! 

How? How can this be?  

I told you he was just a multi-character.  

famous, shick, bsting, czimmy, pack-jason, and many other banned names. 

not that there is a multi crowd of hoponpop, to think that who and cat are the same person, IMO, is not right ...

But let's think about it, what if it were true, so what? 

We would still be talking ( hypothetically, mind you) about two different posters, imo it would take a lot of skill and extreme intelligence to do suh a thing.

Yes, pops has multis, but if you pay attention, he doesn't hide them, i believe he is too cool for that... PROF

Thank you.